25NL Okay to fold KK here?

[Chargers In 07]

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I think even if we used your first range (the less favorable one), we still profit by shoving.
.31*($46)-.69($20)=+$0.50.

[/ QUOTE ]Take rake into account and you'll be losing.

I don't mind folding or shoving here. I'd probably gamble.

[BadBigBabar]

wtf? shove

[RapidEvolution]

Working it out seems good. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Pushing the flop risks 20.20 ($6.25 calling plus the remainder of the larger stack [$13.95] to win $42.30 (the money in the pot before it gets to me, plus the remainder of the 2 other stacks).

.36(42.30)-.64(20.25)=$2.27

This looks to be marginally +EV, until we consider the rake
assuming a 5% rake, we get

.36(42.30-2.15)-.64(20.25)=$1.50.

Even with the rake, shoving is +EV, albeit a small amount. This has been a lot of fun, and I've gotten to learn some about EV in pushing these situations. I've never come out ahead in these situations (overpair vs 2 players donking), but it's good to know that in this case, I have a +EV push.

[speedle]

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wtf? shove

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