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#11
10-26-2007, 11:10 AM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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Do we really need to post the 1998 Clinton quotes again stating that Iraq had WMDs? You attacking Bush in this way just makes you look foolish. Seriously. Everyone in EVERY government believed Iraq had WMDs. [/ QUOTE ] The US *gave* Iraq WMDs. Most of them have not been accounted for. Figure it out.  People love to trot this picture out to bash the US government, and they love to pretend it never happened when they bash the US government. You can't have it both ways. 
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#12
10-26-2007, 01:37 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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The US *gave* Iraq WMDs. Most of them have not been accounted for. Figure it out. [/ QUOTE ] Um not expert on this but afaik no? Iraq payed western companies to come over and build chemical weapons factories, mostly German companies IIRC. I don't think the US gave them any chemical weaponry and would be very interested if you have sources saying they did. The weapons were used on the Iranians and Kurds and then the US blew up the factories in Desert Storm. So I don't see why they need to be accounted for.
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#13
10-26-2007, 01:38 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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[ QUOTE ] Here is some picture proof of Syria "cleansing" the area after Isreal bombed the [censored] out of Syria's plans to build a nuclear reactor. Syria has said they never even had a building on that land.....umm guess they forgot about the little spy in the sky. The before and after pics...kind of interesting I think. http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-...7102502100.jpg [/ QUOTE ] What if Syria really was trying to secretly build a nuke? Didn't we secretly build a nuke, too? And huge stockpiles of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons that we still maintain? If Syria is trying to build a nuke, it may be cause for concern, most notably for Israel. But Israel has stockpiles of nukes and a massive conventional advantage over Syria anyway. Why would Syria not want to provide some deterrence capability against Israel or others? We might want to keep tabs on how things progress just so we know if those nukes end up somewhere that threatens us. But we certainly aren't justified in using force to stop Syria from trying to defend itself using the same means we and Israel are justified in using to defend ourselves. [/ QUOTE ] Why not, if they're an enemy?
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#14
10-26-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here is some picture proof of Syria "cleansing" the area after Isreal bombed the [censored] out of Syria's plans to build a nuclear reactor. Syria has said they never even had a building on that land.....umm guess they forgot about the little spy in the sky. The before and after pics...kind of interesting I think. http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-...7102502100.jpg [/ QUOTE ] What if Syria really was trying to secretly build a nuke? Didn't we secretly build a nuke, too? And huge stockpiles of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons that we still maintain? If Syria is trying to build a nuke, it may be cause for concern, most notably for Israel. But Israel has stockpiles of nukes and a massive conventional advantage over Syria anyway. Why would Syria not want to provide some deterrence capability against Israel or others? We might want to keep tabs on how things progress just so we know if those nukes end up somewhere that threatens us. But we certainly aren't justified in using force to stop Syria from trying to defend itself using the same means we and Israel are justified in using to defend ourselves. [/ QUOTE ] Why not, if they're an enemy? [/ QUOTE ] Because most people that don't have some type of militaristic training tend to look at fights and combat in the style of a boxing match, ie "everything should be fair", "if we have nuclear weapons why can't they" etc. The truth of the matter is, I want to have an MP5 and all the nukes and be fighting people who are throwing rocks at me.
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#15
10-26-2007, 02:14 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
Israel bombed Iraq's nuclear reactor in 1981 because they thought it was a threat to them.
Israel bombed Syria's "nuclear facility" in 2007 because they thought it was a threat to them. Israel did not bomb Iraq in 2002 or 2003. When it comes to Israel's neighbors, I would put my money on the Mossad over the CIA any day.
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#16
10-26-2007, 03:38 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Here is some picture proof of Syria "cleansing" the area after Isreal bombed the [censored] out of Syria's plans to build a nuclear reactor. Syria has said they never even had a building on that land.....umm guess they forgot about the little spy in the sky. The before and after pics...kind of interesting I think. http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-...7102502100.jpg [/ QUOTE ] What if Syria really was trying to secretly build a nuke? Didn't we secretly build a nuke, too? And huge stockpiles of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons that we still maintain? If Syria is trying to build a nuke, it may be cause for concern, most notably for Israel. But Israel has stockpiles of nukes and a massive conventional advantage over Syria anyway. Why would Syria not want to provide some deterrence capability against Israel or others? We might want to keep tabs on how things progress just so we know if those nukes end up somewhere that threatens us. But we certainly aren't justified in using force to stop Syria from trying to defend itself using the same means we and Israel are justified in using to defend ourselves. [/ QUOTE ] Why not, if they're an enemy? [/ QUOTE ] So it is your position that use of force is justified so long as you first apply the label "enemy"? Is that the kind of country you want to live in? No thanks. I'd rather live in a country that valued freedom, self-determination, and didn't resort to things like murder unless in self-defense. I wouldn't mind (and would in fact prefer) if that country were a bunch of badasses who'd mess any invader up should anyone dare. But there's a huge difference between that and justifying preemtpive strikes and dictating what other sovereign nations can and can't do in their own country -- especially when we're dictating that they can't do the very same things we do.
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#17
10-26-2007, 04:45 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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So it is your position that use of force is justified so long as you first apply the label "enemy"? Is that the kind of country you want to live in? No thanks. I'd rather live in a country that valued freedom, self-determination, and didn't resort to things like murder unless in self-defense. I wouldn't mind (and would in fact prefer) if that country were a bunch of badasses who'd mess any invader up should anyone dare. But there's a huge difference between that and justifying preemtpive strikes and dictating what other sovereign nations can and can't do in their own country -- especially when we're dictating that they can't do the very same things we do. [/ QUOTE ] ROFL! Preemption isnt all bad. I like Israel's style but hate the US's. They are vastly different. DUCY?
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#18
10-26-2007, 05:34 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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[ QUOTE ] So it is your position that use of force is justified so long as you first apply the label "enemy"? Is that the kind of country you want to live in? No thanks. I'd rather live in a country that valued freedom, self-determination, and didn't resort to things like murder unless in self-defense. I wouldn't mind (and would in fact prefer) if that country were a bunch of badasses who'd mess any invader up should anyone dare. But there's a huge difference between that and justifying preemtpive strikes and dictating what other sovereign nations can and can't do in their own country -- especially when we're dictating that they can't do the very same things we do. [/ QUOTE ] ROFL! Preemption isnt all bad. I like Israel's style but hate the US's. They are vastly different. DUCY? [/ QUOTE ] Yes I see why. And the reasons Israel might be justified to take such action compared to the US is night and day. Ducy?
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#19
10-26-2007, 05:59 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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[ QUOTE ] Here is some picture proof of Syria "cleansing" the area after Isreal bombed the [censored] out of Syria's plans to build a nuclear reactor. Syria has said they never even had a building on that land.....umm guess they forgot about the little spy in the sky. The before and after pics...kind of interesting I think. http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-...7102502100.jpg [/ QUOTE ] What if Syria really was trying to secretly build a nuke? Didn't we secretly build a nuke, too? And huge stockpiles of biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons that we still maintain? If Syria is trying to build a nuke, it may be cause for concern, most notably for Israel. But Israel has stockpiles of nukes and a massive conventional advantage over Syria anyway. Why would Syria not want to provide some deterrence capability against Israel or others? We might want to keep tabs on how things progress just so we know if those nukes end up somewhere that threatens us. But we certainly aren't justified in using force to stop Syria from trying to defend itself using the same means we and Israel are justified in using to defend ourselves. [/ QUOTE ] Agree completly with this post. Syria should be able to defend itself in the same way Israel is able to. It might be better to give nukes to every country, then, no one would be able to use them. What'd really be best if every country (including the USA) would get rid of their nukes, but that won't happen.
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#20
10-26-2007, 06:38 PM
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Re: So Syria says \"We where never building nukes\"
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It might be better to give nukes to every country, then, no one would be able to use them. [/ QUOTE ] Don't you think this is a little optimistic? It has a certain war-to-end-all-wars ring to me.
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