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#11
10-23-2007, 02:26 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
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"solid" doesnt really mean much. Are you trying to say that hes a good TAG? The issue is that the sb has put in over 50% of your effective stack in so if he is "solid" then you need a good enough hand that will be ahead of his calling range (which is any 2) [/ QUOTE ] I know SB is calling with whatever he has, but is he always reraising here with big hands? 
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#12
10-23-2007, 05:26 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
something like JJ+, AK readless.
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#14
10-23-2007, 11:03 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
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JJ+ and AK. [/ QUOTE ] Why, because it is an unknown and he standard raised rather than pushed? Isn't this sometimes a resteal or atleast something like AT or KQ? I realize the raiser could have a big hand too, but you get decent pot odds if the raiser folds. I would say AQ+, 99+. If reraiser was a LAG or you had a read that he was reraising loosely, then maybe you could push with a little less than this.
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#15
10-23-2007, 11:18 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
Although it COULD be a resteal, the question is whether it is worth the shove with something that is sub-optimal with ~20bb. When you lower your range you start to change your play from a real 4bet to an ai. Also, the CO and SB are allowed to have real hands here. I would rather be re-stealing in another situation so I think that this is not the case b/c he raised over 50% of your stack.
Because you have better places to take advantage. I think that if you are down to 10bb then I will widen my range here b/c of the fact that I'm short-stacked. His large r/r could mean anything. Also, here is another big issue that hasnt been talked about, yes he has raised so much that he has called us, but has he pot-committed himself against the initial raiser (which is what HE is worried about). He has raised ~40% of CO stack so he is close to being pot-committed against him. Once again, if hes a LAG im opening my range a decent amount, but not too much. The question becomes in a situation where an unknown CO raises and a sb goes ai, what is our calling range, since that is what the question really is since we have no FE
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#17
10-23-2007, 11:35 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
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If anything JJ and AK is a bit loose rather than too tight. I think sb's range is pretty tight here. [/ QUOTE ] Why, because of his bet size, or the stage in the tournament? This seems like a restealing situation.
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#18
10-23-2007, 11:38 AM
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Re: CO raises, SB raises, what does BB need to push
I would never fold AQ here, there have to be a large number of A's in SB's range that AQ crushes. The bottom of my pair range would be either TT or 99, since I just can't see myself folding 99, I'll go with that.
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