KK facing 3 bet by the time it gets to me

[Pilket]

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An unknown villain minraising an UTG raise, then 5 bet shoving doesnt have a wide range.

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But you're still ahead of it: AK+, JJ+. Don't fold kings PF. *slaps you with a wet noodle*

[Somnius]

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Definate raise to ~7, however if MP 5bet shoves, i could maybe lay it down cos his hand is face up.

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There would already be 10 in the pot if UTG folds, and 7 more to you if MP does this with many...many hands considering he's short stacked... = do not fold this...

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An unknown villain minraising an UTG raise, then 5 bet shoving doesnt have a wide range.

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I corrected the math in the post above yours, it was off...

Anyway, I do agree with you generally, but there's more to this situation then just those factors...mainly, the fact that he's shortstacked, his hand was good enough to minreraise...fine...but when you 4bet, and he has 15 left with 10 already in the pot and hed have to call another 5, he figures, I might as well throw it in or fold...he's willing to throw it in with a lot more hands then someone would generally if they had minreraised, faced a 4 bet, and both were deep...the situation would be a lot different...and still probably wouldn't warrant folding kings...don't overlook the exception to what you're saying which has some truth...which here, is the fact that he's shorstacked.......and you have Kings....

[thoman8r]

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Definate raise to ~7, however if MP 5bet shoves, i could maybe lay it down cos his hand is face up.

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There would already be 10 in the pot if UTG folds, and 7 more to you if MP does this with many...many hands considering he's short stacked... = do not fold this...

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An unknown villain minraising an UTG raise, then 5 bet shoving doesnt have a wide range.

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He doesn't have to have a wide range. Even if his range is QQ+ only, calling is +EV. And since he's almost definitely a huge donk (since he min-raised), his range is probably a bit wider than that.

Seriously, I double fist-pump snapcall any 5-bet shove here.

[Profish2285]

Okay, what if everyone had 100 bb stacks?

[Somnius]

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Definate raise to ~7, however if MP 5bet shoves, i could maybe lay it down cos his hand is face up.

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There would already be 10 in the pot if UTG folds, and 7 more to you if MP does this with many...many hands considering he's short stacked... = do not fold this...

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An unknown villain minraising an UTG raise, then 5 bet shoving doesnt have a wide range.

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He doesn't have to have a wide range. Even if his range is QQ+ only, calling is +EV. And since he's almost definitely a huge donk (since he min-raised), his range is probably a bit wider than that.

Seriously, I double fist-pump snapcall any 5-bet shove here.

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agreed, just breaking it down for him.

[thoman8r]

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Okay, what if everyone had 100 bb stacks?

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I only single fist pump snapcall when we have 100 bb stacks.

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muck it

[Kasane]

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Okay, what if everyone had 100 bb stacks?

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I only single fist pump snapcall when we have 100 bb stacks.

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This sounds right to me. Single fist pump for 100bb stacks, double fist pump for 50bb stacks. An inverse ratio thing. Perfect. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[EMc]

I like it already

[Profish2285]

LOL good post