A9 street by street...play along [400NL]

[Noam Chomsky]

ok, worthless was obviously a bit harsh. I just mean that I typically like to know more about a player before I start playing marginal/bad hands oop, whether in a bloated, 3 bet pot or not.

If I wanted to play this hand, though, I'd 3 bet.

[BombayBadboy]

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i think all three of your options are reasonable. i think you should post the preflop action and open the discussion to flop play.

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Yeah, its my opinion too. I'd rate calling and 3-betting a bit higher though.

Anyway:

No-Limit Hold'em, $2.00/$4.00

SB (532.50)
Hero (698.20)
CO (376.95)
Button (663.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises to $14.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, Hero calls $10.00,

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $30 )
Hero?

Lead?
C/r?
Just call?

Why? (Note stacksizes)

[Unknown Soldier]

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3b

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US,

would you rate 3-bet &gt; Fold &gt; Call?

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player/flow deependent really. With some good reads i could call, but yeah sounds about right.


EDIT: missed stacks, calling becomes better the deeper you are, think i'd still 3b here though.

[nuggetz87]

rr &gt; call &gt; fold preflop

c/r flop.

[tannenj]

i cc here a lot. leading is alright, but i tend not to donk into one guy (personal preference).

cr is pretty sweet, i think, because it's going to be real tough for him to felt an overpair given effective stacks.

so yeah, i think all three options are legitimate on the flop, too. i'd mix in ccs and crs with certain frequencies.

[BombayBadboy]

c/r size if villain leads 22? What do we do if villain calls and we are OOP in a relatively big pot?

Our equity goes down to 33% if we blank on the turn:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

704 games 0.015 secs 46,933 games/sec

Board: 9d 8c 6c 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 33.097% 33.10% 00.00% 233 0.00 { Ac9c }
Hand 1: 66.903% 66.90% 00.00% 471 0.00 { QQ+, KcQc }


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Reasonable range for calling a c/r?

Bet/ 3-bet is good here with 100bbs right? Where do we pull the line for bet/ 3-betting?

[monkover]

I c/r here all day long. regs usually have a high cbeting frequency and you will squeeze and extra bet out of him. It also is very hard for villain to call youre c/r and a turn lead as deep as you are.
I c/r flop and lead the turn.

[Noam Chomsky]

I probably c/c. Seems like any other line turns our hand into a bluff and our hand seems to strong for that. I could be wrong though. I can totally see arguments for any action here that doesn't involve folding.

[scallop]

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I think he plays perfect to a 3-bet alot of the time.

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I think calling&gt;raising&gt;folding if this is the case.

If u lead and he raises do you flat? Or 4-bet? Given that our equity drops to 33% on blank turns I hate lead/raised/call as a line because we are check/calling check/folding a bunch of turns.

Equally c/raising wins us a small pot a lot, but when he calls were in the same situation as above.

Would you get it ai on the flop if u could?

[BombayBadboy]

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If u lead and he raises do you flat? Or 4-bet? Given that our equity drops to 33% on blank turns I hate lead/raised/call as a line because we are check/calling check/folding a bunch of turns.

Equally c/raising wins us a small pot a lot, but when he calls were in the same situation as above.

Would you get it ai on the flop if u could?

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I actually lead the flop hoping to b/3-bet AI, however, after leading I realized this might no be the greatest idea since his range for calling a shove is probably sets, two pairs and KK+. So its probably not a "great" line.

For the reasons you mentioned I'm not a big fan either of the other lines, so I was hoping someone could enlighten me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]