Beautiful flop + Beautiful turn = Still no hand OOP

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theres 132 in the pot and ~170 left to play with. c/r isnt too feasible an option most of the time.

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he might check behind

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Just a small side question.....

Does pushing represent the K in the eyes of an experienced player?

[ofishstix]

it typically represents AA AK KK TT and big draws

[scallop]

I dont want to c/f... but Im not sure shoving is all that great. How much F/E do we rall have?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 34.211% 34.21% 00.00% 286 0.00 { AdQd }
Hand 1: 65.789% 65.79% 00.00% 550 0.00 { QQ-JJ, ATs, KdJd, ATo }

Im guessing he doesnt have the nuts. If he did it would have to be exactly 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] for him to not want to raise the flop.

Sets raise the flop.

QQ raises the flop, but could also just cold call pf. AA and KK raise the flop but probablly also 4-bet pre.

Is our hand all THAT good with one to come OOP facing a vpip 45 who has called pf and flop bets? I know it sucks, but I think c/f can't be all that wrong.

[ikestoys]

scallop, this guys range is nowhere near that tight

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scallop, this guys range is nowhere near that tight

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so you push?

[bubaloo]

does anyone think betpot/call is a better line than shoving? i think we have more FE by betting pot.

[Suigin406]

i prefer just shove bub, if he actually calls turn, he will have to call river, so i just push now

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i prefer just shove bub, if he actually calls turn, he will have to call river, so i just push now

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obv if he just calls we have to call river, but we're losing the same amount either way. IMO a bet of $132 into a $132 pot looks a hellofa lot stronger than $170 into $132 pot.