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Old 10-13-2007, 12:43 PM
bozlax bozlax is offline
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calling sucks because we commit ourselves to another 2BB with a hand that is SAWB

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How so? We're getting 6:1 immediate, and our position means we have decent implieds, on the flop and there's a non-zero chance that Villan is just taking a shot and will give us a free card on the turn. Once he fails to give us said free card, we're getting 4.5:1 immediate and our implieds are reduced significantly because there's only one street left.

Call the flop donk, take the free card or fold the turn UI. If you see an ace or six, go to war.

Edit: Oliver, SAWB = Slightly Ahead, Way Behind, a variation on WA/WB (Way Ahead, Way Behind). The idea is that if you're ahead, Villan is likely to have a lot of outs against you, and if you're behind you likely have very few outs against him.
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: Ah6h - Ks6dQs

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Edit: Oliver, SAWB = Slightly Ahead, Way Behind, a variation on WA/WB (Way Ahead, Way Behind). The idea is that if you're ahead, Villan is likely to have a lot of outs against you, and if you're behind you likely have very few outs against him.

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Ah, thanks! Never heard about this one before.

Whats the best line for SA/WB: F(b/f)-T(c/f ui), F(b/c)-T(c/f ui) or F(c/c)-T(c/f ui)?
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Old 10-13-2007, 02:37 PM
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Whats the best line for SA/WB: F(b/f)-T(c/f ui), F(b/c)-T(c/f ui) or F(c/c)-T(c/f ui)?

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Depends. In this case, in position, it's easy to peel the flop and fold the turn UI. The factors influencing your decision, generally, are a lot the same as WA/WB: you don't want to give your opp a reason to get away from the hand with a worse hand, you don't want to give him a means of getting more bets out of you with a better hand, yada yada. The biggest difference is that you should be more inclined to fold.

Say, in this case, you were oop. Well, you're c-betting because you pfr'd and caught a piece of the flop. Villan raises. You call the raise with odds, and c/f the turn UI. otoh, you c-bet and Villan just calls...your action UI on the turn is difficult, but if you bet and he raises, you have to fold. But check-fold is too weak. That's why you want a read on your opponent before you try a steal-raise with a middling hand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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