Bad fold? - Page 2

mvoss · #11 10-02-2007, 12:08 PM

How often do people even take the free card here? I mean I see "free card" flop raises all the time followed by villain betting the turn because he wants to take the pot down UI.

Wolfram · #12 10-02-2007, 12:29 PM

Yeah, "preventing" free cards is pointless because nobody takes free cards anyways (except me).

shane88888 · #13 10-02-2007, 12:32 PM

I take free cards all the time, especially when I feel a turn c/r coming.

Oink · #14 10-02-2007, 12:35 PM

Taking free cards on "c/r" turns is fine.

Raising the flop HU with the intention of taking a free card on ANY turn sucks donkeyballs

If you have a good draw bet again for FE

If you have a good hand bet again for value

If you have a marginal hand you cant valuebet dont raise the flop.

Pretty basic...

NinaWilliams · #15 10-02-2007, 01:11 PM

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How often do people even take the free card here? I mean I see "free card" flop raises all the time followed by villain betting the turn because he wants to take the pot down UI.

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I can only speak for myself, but I was discussing a hand with a friend last night and told him that I never raise for a free card.

Tryptamean · #16 10-02-2007, 02:22 PM

Just call down from the flop. Do not donk the turn. Other posters are correct: people dont take free cards, especially heads up.

jba · #17 10-02-2007, 02:35 PM

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Absolution · #18 10-02-2007, 02:38 PM

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There are big pots where it might be worth it, but generally the pots are too small, the chance of folding out someone is too high and the chance of getting 3-bet or not getting the free card is too high.

jba · #19 10-02-2007, 03:11 PM

maybe "raise for free card" is a bad name for what I'm talking about. mostly I'm talking about situations where you have an equity edge on the flop but it will not be there on a blank turn. I rarely do it heads up although I did last night - KTss on a QsJs5c board, I put in the fifth bet (and would have put in a 7th) with the intention of taking a free river card.

mvoss · #20 10-03-2007, 04:29 AM

Ok, my point was just that 3-betting the flop to prevent a villain from taking a free card is not really good imo since villain will very rarely take the free card anyway. I would just call the flop raise and c/c turn and river. I think playing this hand the way OP did makes it hard to play since this villain can have a pretty wide range on the flop and turn even after his raises.