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10-01-2007, 10:25 AM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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[ QUOTE ] My read here was that he only has AK/KK+. [/ QUOTE ] Do you have stats on the guy? [/ QUOTE ] I don't do stats. My reads are based on direct observation. 
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#12
10-01-2007, 11:00 AM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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I don't do stats. My reads are based on direct observation. [/ QUOTE ] OK, fair enough. But when did you firm up on your AA/KK/AK read? Preflop when he re-raised you? If so, you know you have to fold right there, don't you?
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#13
10-01-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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My read here was that he only has AK/KK+ [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hero raises to $2.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $6.75, Hero calls $4.75 [/ QUOTE ] I read some threads and just can't understand why I am still not a billionaire.
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#14
10-01-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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[ QUOTE ] My read here was that he only has AK/KK+ [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hero raises to $2.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $6.75, Hero calls $4.75 [/ QUOTE ] I read some threads and just can't understand why I am still not a billionaire. [/ QUOTE ] It's a thing called variance.
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#16
10-01-2007, 11:33 AM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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[ QUOTE ] My read here was that he only has AK/KK+ [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Hero raises to $2.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $6.75, Hero calls $4.75 [/ QUOTE ] I read some threads and just can't understand why I am still not a billionaire. [/ QUOTE ] Thats not even a one-liner, do you have anything useful to add?
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#18
10-01-2007, 12:18 PM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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[ QUOTE ] Thats not even a one-liner, do you have anything useful to add? [/ QUOTE ] Answer the question then: when did you get this AK/KK+ read? [/ QUOTE ] Well like I said in my reply to Orange, preflop I didn't have his range at AK/KK+. It was wider than that, at the very least QQ+ and maybe even more pairs and even some thinner stuff like 98s. Up until this point : SB: $50.75 BB: $51.55 UTG: $52.25 Hero (CO): $54.20 BTN: $48.25 Preflop: Hero is dealt A K (5 Players) UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $6.75, Hero he still has a number of different hands. However I know a few things about his postflop tendancies. One of those things is that he won't pot the flop and then pot the turn with just a draw. So if he pots the flop and then pots the turn, he has TPTK+. Even when he pots the flop he still has more than TPTK+, he might even have something he is "bluffing" with like QQ or JJ. In those cases he won't bet again on the turn, but he also wont call when I push the flop so I didnt see any value there.
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#19
10-01-2007, 12:44 PM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Thats not even a one-liner, do you have anything useful to add? [/ QUOTE ] Answer the question then: when did you get this AK/KK+ read? [/ QUOTE ] Well like I said in my reply to Orange, preflop I didn't have his range at AK/KK+. It was wider than that, at the very least QQ+ and maybe even more pairs and even some thinner stuff like 98s. Up until this point : SB: $50.75 BB: $51.55 UTG: $52.25 Hero (CO): $54.20 BTN: $48.25 Preflop: Hero is dealt A K (5 Players) UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.00, 2 folds, BB raises to $6.75, Hero he still has a number of different hands. However I know a few things about his postflop tendancies. One of those things is that he won't pot the flop and then pot the turn with just a draw. So if he pots the flop and then pots the turn, he has TPTK+. Even when he pots the flop he still has more than TPTK+, he might even have something he is "bluffing" with like QQ or JJ. In those cases he won't bet again on the turn, but he also wont call when I push the flop so I didnt see any value there. [/ QUOTE ] Are you saying that when he leads after the flop with this board, then this means he has AA, KK AK and that this player wouldn't lead into this flop with QQ, JJ, etc. - that he would check instead. If that's the case and you're confident in your read, then I think calling preflop was fine but after you saw the flop and he bet you had to fold because your best case is a split pot.
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#20
10-01-2007, 01:23 PM
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Re: Top Top, Chop Chop?
There's 3 AA combo's and 6 AK. I think we can assume this isn't the lone KK combo left, as he most likely wouldn't have pushed with the nuts hoping you have a draw to draw to.
This means that 6 out of nine times we get net $18, and 3 out of nine we lose 33 (let's forget that we suck out sometimes). Run it nine times and we end up with 108 - 99or so... Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 396 games 0.005 secs 79,200 games/sec Board: 3h 2h Kd 3c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 34.848% 01.52% 33.33% 6 132.00 { AsKh } Hand 1: 65.152% 31.82% 33.33% 126 132.00 { AA, AKs, AKo } Which is about right equity wise, since we need 33% equity for 2-1 on our money, and we're getting a bit better than that. I don't think any villain's range is this tight on a push, could be AQhh sometimes, QQ sometimes. Just toss in one or two of those: Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 528 games 0.005 secs 105,600 games/sec Board: 3h 2h Kd 3c Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 48.864% 23.86% 25.00% 126 132.00 { AsKh } Hand 1: 51.136% 26.14% 25.00% 138 132.00 { AA, QcQd, QdQh, AKs, AhQh, AKo } I think 2 QQ combos are enough to compensate for a bunch of other silly stuff that you're beating. Remember, your flat call on the flop will rep a draw to many people. It's a good way to play AK here, as your opponent will rarely have a draw himself. Note: if you put KK in his range, and don't add anything else but AK, KK+, it's a clear fold -- but I just don't see it. If the board hadn't paired, we would have to put it in.
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