AA - DEEEEEEP vs hudge nit - i cripple the board

[pineapple888]

Well, this is super-easy. Bet and keep betting. You're not getting anything out of him if he didn't hit the flop hard, so you might as well assume that he did and go from there.

[pineapple888]

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i think you have to bet flop, for about 27-30. Then check turn is best i think? and bet river after he most liekly checks behind.

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this is my default against non-creative/stationy players

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the thing is, i think this guys is like the opposite of a station. more like a umm ...well whatever the hell you call the opposite of a calling station.

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A "nit" I believe is the correct term. The only way you get big money out of them is when they make a second-best hand, so you might as well assume that here, as I said in my other post.

[cs3]

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Well, this is super-easy. Bet and keep betting. You're not getting anything out of him if he didn't hit the flop hard, so you might as well assume that he did and go from there.

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i thinks this guy hit this particular flop hard < 15% of the time

[FishSticks]

Villain should have a pretty narrow range here, basically consisting of big pairs and AQs+.

If he holds AQs+:

Betting the flop is clearly better. He's going to call, he very well might raise - if he has AK you stand a reasonable chance of taking all 300bb from him. If you check the main risk is that he checks behind, trying to be tricky. That's fine, but it might not allow you to get all in with only 2 streets to go, and if a K/Q/J falls he's going to get paranoid playing for 300bb, since he's going to assume a lot of your range is big pairs.

If he holds TT+:

tbh I think he's just going to fold JJ-KK here most of the time to a flop bet. This sucks, but you're probably going to squeeze at most one bet out of him on the turn/river if you check the flop.

The times you have a chance to take *everything* from AK by coming out firing this deep outweigh the one extra bet you might get from JJ-KK if you try to slowplay. If you were only 100BB it could be different, since there's not much that needs to happen to get all in with this sized pot.

[pineapple888]

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Well, this is super-easy. Bet and keep betting. You're not getting anything out of him if he didn't hit the flop hard, so you might as well assume that he did and go from there.

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i thinks this guy hit this particular flop hard < 15% of the time

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That's my point. Make sure you take all of his money that 15% of the time, the other 85% you aren't getting much of anything out of him no matter what you do.

It'll also look much less suspicious if you keep betting, esp. with your image.

[RockRattler]

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Well, this is super-easy. Bet and keep betting. You're not getting anything out of him if he didn't hit the flop hard, so you might as well assume that he did and go from there.

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I think this is pretty spot on.

[cs3]

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If he holds AQs+:

Betting the flop is clearly better. He's going to call, he very well might raise


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<font color="blue">agreed 100% for obvious reasons </font>


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if he has AK you stand a reasonable chance of taking all 300bb from him.

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have to disagree with this part.
i think this is happening like never. The ONLY hand he can possibly have that ever plays for 300bb's is middle set. and to be honest i think his range is like 75% JJ-KK. </font>







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If he holds TT+:

tbh I think he's just going to fold JJ-KK here most of the time to a flop bet. This sucks, but you're probably going to squeeze at most one bet out of him on the turn/river if you check the flop.

The times you have a chance to take *everything* from AK by coming out firing this deep outweigh the one extra bet you might get from JJ-KK if you try to slowplay. If you were only 100BB it could be different, since there's not much that needs to happen to get all in with this sized pot.

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i agreee he folds flop most times he has TT-KK, but i think he bets any Ax almost always. no?
again i think we're almsot never getting anywhere near all in no matter what he can have. even aggrotards can fold Ak before they donk off 300 bb's </font>

[pineapple888]

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if he has AK you stand a reasonable chance of taking all 300bb from him.

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have to disagree with this part.
i think this is happening like never. even aggrotards can fold Ak before they donk off 300 bb's </font>

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I think you aren't thinking like nits think.

He's been sitting there FOREVER waiting to get a piece of your LAGgy backside.

So you bet, bet, bet. He's gonna call at least two streets with AK. Maybe even raise at some point. If he calls/calls/folds the river, fine, but he's gonna call even there sometimes, and how the heck else are you going to maximize value this deep?

[Bukem_]

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Well, this is super-easy. Bet and keep betting. You're not getting anything out of him if he didn't hit the flop hard, so you might as well assume that he did and go from there.

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i thinks this guy hit this particular flop hard &lt; 15% of the time

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less than that. I check since i do check and give up in 3 bets fairly often, and nits are dumb enough to bet everytime they are checked to.

bet is fine too, can't really go wrong with trying to build a pot with the nuts..

[cs3]

Flop: ($40.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5 A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">MP bets $28.00</font>, Hero calls $28.00

Turn: ($96.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)

since i c/c'd flop should i check again on turn? c/c or c/r?
if you bet out, how much?