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09-27-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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You can also win pots on third street. [/ QUOTE ] You either stole or were given a walk on your bringin 4 times. 
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#12
09-27-2007, 02:20 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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[ QUOTE ] You can also win pots on third street. [/ QUOTE ] You either stole or were given a walk on your bringin 4 times. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and I can't believe I only stole 4 hands. I think I'm going to do the work and go over the whole thing myself. Tedious, but the only way I ever seem to understand anything is to take it apart. (Hope I can get it back together afterwards.)
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#13
09-27-2007, 02:46 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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I think I'm going to do the work and go over the whole thing myself. Tedious, but the only way I ever seem to understand anything is to take it apart. [/ QUOTE ] Seriously, if you have PT, ignore FTP's/Stars' stats, which are pretty much worthless. Learning to understand PT's will be much more useful.
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#14
09-27-2007, 09:51 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You can also win pots on third street. [/ QUOTE ] You either stole or were given a walk on your bringin 4 times. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and I can't believe I only stole 4 hands. I think I'm going to do the work and go over the whole thing myself. Tedious, but the only way I ever seem to understand anything is to take it apart. (Hope I can get it back together afterwards.) [/ QUOTE ] Who says you only stole 4 hands? It doesn't say where you won the hands that you won without showdown. Most of them you won on 3rd, a few less on 4th, a few less on 5th, with very few on 6th and 7th, probably.
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#15
09-27-2007, 11:08 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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Who says you only stole 4 hands? It doesn't say where you won the hands that you won without showdown. Most of them you won on 3rd, a few less on 4th, a few less on 5th, with very few on 6th and 7th, probably. [/ QUOTE ] Is anyone interested in discussing/explaining how the hell prax won 91% of hands at showdown? Was this an AP tourney??
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#16
09-27-2007, 11:11 AM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
Yeah, so is the only hand you lost the one that knocked you out?
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#17
09-27-2007, 12:40 PM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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[ QUOTE ] Who says you only stole 4 hands? It doesn't say where you won the hands that you won without showdown. Most of them you won on 3rd, a few less on 4th, a few less on 5th, with very few on 6th and 7th, probably. [/ QUOTE ] Is anyone interested in discussing/explaining how the hell prax won 91% of hands at showdown? Was this an AP tourney?? [/ QUOTE ] He won 10 out of the 11 hands that went to showdown.
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#18
09-27-2007, 04:47 PM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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Who says you only stole 4 hands? It doesn't say where you won the hands that you won without showdown. Most of them you won on 3rd, a few less on 4th, a few less on 5th, with very few on 6th and 7th, probably. [/ QUOTE ] Well, I think this is how I got confused. If I saw 4th 40 times, and at the end I won 44 pots - then those 4 extra ones have to be on 3rd, right? So they are fold-arounds or steals or both. Let's see if I have this right: If I saw 4th 40 times and 5th 24 times, then I either folded or won 16 times on 4th. If I saw 6th 16 times, then I folded or won 8 times on 5th. If I reached showdown (it never just says 7th) 11 times, then I folded or won 5 times on 6th. So, now, if I take the 40 times I saw 4th and add the 4 extra hands, then I could get pretty close to VPIP by dividing the total number of hands (234) into 44. Right? That makes it 19%. (I know being folded around to is not "Voluntarily Putting Money" anyplace, but I think that's not more then 2 hands, so maybe not too significant.) [ QUOTE ] Yeah, so is the only hand you lost the one that knocked you out? [/ QUOTE ] Well, of course, I lost a lot of hands I folded, but just this one at showdown. Wait. That's not right, is it? Then the 4th street number would be higher.... How could I have won all of them but 1? See, I have to go look at the HHs - As far as understanding PT's stats, I'd like to do that, too. But I also have a couple big tournaments that PT doesn't seem to want to load, so I'm wanting to make sense out of the trny summary they send. [ QUOTE ] Was this an AP tourney?? [/ QUOTE ] AP? "Almost Proficient?" "Average to Poor?" Wait - I got it: "Absolutely Perfect!!!" There's something wierd here - I'll get back to you all after I go through all 234 hands. Oh my achin' eyes!
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#19
09-27-2007, 04:58 PM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
AP = Absolute poker
As in, you won 10 out of 11 at showdown b/c you could see the villain's hole cards? I guess the one you lost you had something like 9,7,6,A,A to his 7,6,4,4,2 and you thought you had the better hand. Silly prax [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#20
09-27-2007, 05:45 PM
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Re: Explaining Color to a Blind Man..or math to prax
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Well, I think this is how I got confused. If I saw 4th 40 times, and at the end I won 44 pots - then those 4 extra ones have to be on 3rd, right? So they are fold-arounds or steals or both. [/ QUOTE ] At *least* 4 had to be successful steals. Certainly, many more could have been. The rest of them are hands where your opponents folded 4th, 5th, 6th or 7th.
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