50nl - 2 silly spots against small 3b pf.

[Split Suit]

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AA is the only hand that should consider checking that flop in a 3bet pot IMO.

I call.

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u calling or folding the river in hand 1?

[Split Suit]

..bump..

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I'd play both hands the same as you assuming you called both.

[Vecernicek]

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Hand 1: I think you need to lead out or either C/R or C/F the flop. As played, is seems like you hoped to induce a bluff, so I guess you need to follow through with your line and call here.

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donking = terrible. it makes me still blind on the hand. i dont get value off hardly anything. and a CR is the same thing (i dont get calld by anything i beat, and turn a hand with SD value into a bluff. which is silly to do)

and like i sed, stack sizes dont allow me to block/fold. so i think the only options on the river are check or open push. and open push doesnt get me value off anything rly.

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Your explanation makes sense to me, but I think that if that is your rationale, then calling the river is a no-brainer after you called the flop.

I wonder, would you call have called a bet on the turn?

[Split Suit]

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I wonder, would you call have called a bet on the turn?

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lol, me too. yes, i calld both. hand one villian had A4. hand 2 villian had AT (river T, ldo). just line checking

[Vecernicek]

NHs for discussion.

I still have absolutely no clue how to play AJ/AQ in raised pots preflop (especially in situations like these, where I get 3-bet but the odds are too inviting). I always figured it was a leak to call, but now I'm thinking I'm just getting run over. Tough game.

[Mr_Donktastic]

1: Like the line, call rvr.

2. I would be REALLY tempted to 4 bet preflop. As played its good, call.

[Split Suit]

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NHs for discussion.

I still have absolutely no clue how to play AJ/AQ in raised pots preflop (especially in situations like these, where I get 3-bet but the odds are too inviting). I always figured it was a leak to call, but now I'm thinking I'm just getting run over. Tough game.

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advice: dont call them if ur having troubles post flop. u will spew massive ammts of money.

not that tough [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Vecernicek]

Well, obviously I'd like to improve, so I appreciate seeing hands like these. And I think studying and experimenting will be more valuable to me then just avoiding flops.

But my question is really about avoiding situations in which you are out-kicked, esp. OOP. Here you say assume no-reads; so in Hand One, you are apparently willing to pay off A9, AQ, AK, and AA. Or did Villain's line suggest he held otherwise? I guess that's why I asked if you would have called a turn bet; and if you think you wouldn't, then it seems like the play is kind of spewy against most opponents. (And that's not a specific criticism, that's just me trying to get my head around it).

[Split Suit]

if villian dub-barrels here...id probably lay out. however, his line didnt suggest anything i was having a hard time beating. on the river he either has A7/77/AQ and 45 like never. all other hands of value got pushed already.

however, i will admit that i calld pf hoping that MP wud resqueeze/push. i know that im dominating or coinflippin his range, and im more than willing to do that. also, it allows me to play "perfectly" because if Button calls/over-iso's, then i can fold easily.

and i think the turn play is only spewwy if i plan on calling it. folding it may seem spewwy...but its not like im calling a PSB on the flop (remember, the sizing is very very small, giving me 4:1 w/o IO). and i can play fairly well OOP in this spot. im not that worried. and i didnt call the flop without a general idea of what i was doin on turn/river