200 NL - 8Ts turn play

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Bet a little more on flop and check raise the [censored] out of that turn

[Jamougha]

fwiw I think cr is a huge error on the turn. You miss the chance to win against tons of marginal hands that check behind and put your stack in against monsters, in the hope that he'll fold AQ/J, hands that he probably doesn't have since he would have reraised preflop.

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fwiw I think cr is a huge error on the turn. You miss the chance to win against tons of marginal hands that check behind and put your stack in against monsters, in the hope that he'll fold AQ/J, hands that he probably doesn't have since he would have reraised preflop.

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dude he is floating all the time and will fold any ace

[Jamougha]

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fwiw I think cr is a huge error on the turn. You miss the chance to win against tons of marginal hands that check behind and put your stack in against monsters, in the hope that he'll fold AQ/J, hands that he probably doesn't have since he would have reraised preflop.

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dude he is floating all the time and will fold any ace

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I expect he will check most aces behind, as he typically doesn't have the big ones. I don't see people floating with no outs a lot here, but even if he does we win with a turn bet. Yes we win 28 or w/e against a float but we put in a whole stack if he has a solid hand. And we loose the option of forcing him off weak aces with a 3-barrel.

[barryc83]

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I expect he will check most aces behind, as he typically doesn't have the big ones. I don't see people floating with no outs a lot here, but even if he does we win with a turn bet. Yes we win 28 or w/e against a float but we put in a whole stack if he has a solid hand. And we loose the option of forcing him off weak aces with a 3-barrel.

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Jam I understand what youre saying and im starting to agree. However if you know the guy is floating a large % of the time then c/r is good. I have a couple of opponents who Id rather c/r here to keep them at bay from floating me all the time. Also, if we 3 barrel do you prefer a shove (Overbet) or just a valuish looking 80% PSB?

[tarheeljks]

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I expect he will check most aces behind, as he typically doesn't have the big ones. I don't see people floating with no outs a lot here, but even if he does we win with a turn bet. Yes we win 28 or w/e against a float but we put in a whole stack if he has a solid hand. And we loose the option of forcing him off weak aces with a 3-barrel.

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Jam I understand what youre saying and im starting to agree. However if you know the guy is floating a large % of the time then c/r is good. I have a couple of opponents who Id rather c/r here to keep them at bay from floating me all the time. Also, if we 3 barrel do you prefer a shove (Overbet) or just a valuish looking 80% PSB?

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this assumes that villain is betting the turn w/Ax here, which i agree w/Jamougha, that he prob doesn't.

[SABR42]

I agree with Jam.

C/R turn is really bad because he's checking behind weak aces and kings almost always, but can fold if we keep firing.

And people don't float with complete air on A-K-x flops all that often, it's just not a good play in general.

[Hoopster81]

The turn c/r is very opponent specific. No doubt doing it with no history/reads is spew.

[barryc83]

Why is floating this flop a terrible play in a CO/BTN situation? Whats he gonna do on the turn with Kx, c/f most likely. If he has a decent A he fires again and maybe c/c with A/small. Does the K make that much difference because Im certainly floating a A74 flop a lot IP. People dont think about your range down here, they just think zomg, he called my flop bet with an A so Ill cf my whatever.

[Jamougha]

Even if we need to cr sometimes to keep the guy in line I would prefer to cr with total air and fold to a shove than with the fd, due to stack sizes. We either crai, which is a big overbet, or cr/fold to a shove which turns our draw into nothing.