Are ANY two cards mathematically playable with huge pot odds?

[El_Hombre_Grande]

#3 is not really a pot odds question. I think a terrible player with good cards should shove, as he is unlikely to outplay the field. And to multiple his stack 9x all in may be his only real chance to begin a run to the money.

I think a world class player without tremendous cards should fold without a second thought. He will have opportunities to outplay others , rather than letting one hand decide his fate.

[mykey1961]

how do you find yourself in a situation where you only have to call $20 into a $480 pot?

1) you have 24 opponents?
2) you only have $20, which means your $20 doesn't get you a shot at the whole $480.
3) you've previously invested other money into the pot, and only need to put $20 more in.

Which of these apply?

[RobNottsUk]

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how do you find yourself in a situation where you only have to call $20 into a $480 pot?


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Blinds are say $75. You post your BB.

Short stack in early pos (who just got almost broke), pushes in. Some mid players creep in, late pos, and the SB, leaving you with 5 opponents and it's $20 to you to call.

5 x 95 = 475

You posted 75, and can call $20 to win $475.

[Poker Clif]

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how do you find yourself in a situation where you only have to call $20 into a $480 pot?

1) you have 24 opponents?
2) you only have $20, which means your $20 doesn't get you a shot at the whole $480.
3) you've previously invested other money into the pot, and only need to put $20 more in.

Which of these apply?

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It was a bet/raise/reraise situation. Every time it came around to me for another call, the odds got better and better, because the raises and reraises were in small increments, while the pot kept growing.

[MasterShakeJr]

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3. Therefore, if you are last to act and everyone else at your table shoves on the first hand of an MTT, you should shove also. You have good pot odds and the pot is large.

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As far as my game is concerned, I would almost certainly fold in this situation. Having 8 players knocked out on the first hand would probably benefit me more than the odds of me becoming the insane chip leader. It would also depend on the tourney. First hand of the Main Event, uh, no. First hand of a $5 online MTT, why not, I suppose.

[SellingtheDrama]

As far as how to get a situation where you are getting an insane price to call, you often see it in games with an ante - either a limped pot on the small blind, or a small raise and multiple callers on the big blind.

[jogsxyz]

3. Too complex to solve this for a MTT.
Here's the solution for a 10-player SnG.

Call with AA. Equity about 31%.
Fold. Equity about 32%.

[JOHNY CA$H]

1. Yes
2. ?
3. No

[JavaNut]

You will have to make a very clear distinction here between tournaments and cash games when considering the example of everybody going all-in.

In a cash game, you could be in the situation that a table has just been created with 10 players all buying in with the same amount, and you are in the big blind and are dealt Aces. Everybody goes all-in, now you get 9-1 and have around 30% equity. This is a bet you should take everytime.

In a MTT you need to win all the chips to win, you will not even be sure to win any prize money even if you win so you will only increase your chance of winning slightly but you have a 70% risk of being out. If you have any edge on the field at all, you will not even have to look at your cards when everybody goes all-in in front of you, it is a clear fold even with aces.

[Michael Davis]

"3. Therefore, if you are last to act and everyone else at your table shoves on the first hand of an MTT, you should shove also. You have good pot odds and the pot is large."

You do not have good pot odds without knowing what cards you hold.

-Michael