Q2s from SB, flop has potential - too aggressive?

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How often you get a free card matters as well! Betting the turn is bad IMO. Betting the flop is close.

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No, it's not even close. With three opponents we have enough equity on the flush draw alone if they all call. With the added wheelshot, it's right for us to get as much into that flop as possible.

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Pushing equity edges is fine. But if they prevent you from putting in multiple bets when you hit they decrease your implied odds.

Just looking at the possible edge and then think: "I JAAAAAAAM!" is not the right way to go about it.

If you just c/c the flop you will be able to c/r the turn when you hit much more often. This quickly offsets the eq edge you wanted to push.

Also if you bet and BB raises shutting out the field your bet has cost you if the pot would have stayed 3 or 4 ways had you just c/c'ed.


All that said, I dont hate the flop bet and jam all you like if it stays 4 handed. Just pointing out that there are drawbacks to this way of thinking and you need to consider how you preserve your implied odds as well.

[BigBadBabar]

ew turn lol river

[Buzz-cp]

If we are guaranteed 3 calls then the turn bet is thin at best. If we really have 12 outs, then our equity is 12/46 = 26.1%. If we only get 2 calls then it's not a good bet. If we get 2 calls and it gets raised, this is even worse for us (although our implied odds on the flush may be better). Since we don't always have 12 outs, I don't think betting the turn is optimal. Also, we are never folding all 3 players on the turn (and both players on the river).

[Aaron W.]

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How often you get a free card matters as well!

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assuming logically playing opponents, what hands here give you a free card that dont fold to a turn bet?

edit: just saw this was 0.02/0.04. i guess you cant assume logic applies here.

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Medium pocket pairs do a lot when the board is AKxx.

Betting this turn is pretty bad. You're not getting value out of your bet, so you're losing money that way. And getting raised, even rarely, starts to take a significant chunk out of your EV because putting two big bets in when you're drawing to 11ish outs is not very good unless you have lots of villains.

[Point Blank]

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check/call the turn

check/fold the river

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IMO ... turn is whatever .. check-call, bet, bet/call

but yeah, river - it sucks something fierce ...

[Fantam]

Posting blind.

Flop bet was good.

Dont bet turn and river.

Too agressive ? Yeah, you are not heads up against Boz now. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Daniel Magix]

In regards to my River bet - did I mention I had just finished my third Mike's Hard Iced Tea? And I misclicked?

[DavidSRT]

id check the flop hoping to raise a bettor
C/C turn
C/F River

[Buzz-cp]

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I think that the River bet was pretty bad, since they are really only both folding if they both happen to have draws, which was probably unlikely.

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In regards to my River bet - did I mention I had just finished my third Mike's Hard Iced Tea? And I misclicked?

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You can't have it both ways?

ps excess alcohol generally = -EV plays

[Bulletproof Monk]

guys please someone give me any rationale whatsoever for betting the turn.