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#11
09-20-2007, 12:10 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
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[ QUOTE ] stack off. [/ QUOTE ] come on, this is ridiculous. villain is "unknown." this does not mean he is handicapped. Try and consider how often this villain we don't have a read on has to be bluffing for a call down or a shove here to be +ev. Why do you think villain is bluffing here? [/ QUOTE ] we think villain is bluffing here because if he had AA or AK, he'd have the essential nuts, so why would he bet, why not let us make a cbet and then stick it in later 
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#13
09-20-2007, 12:11 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
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im 50/50 i dont mind calling down or folding [/ QUOTE ] And the 4-bet looks a little big, no?
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#14
09-20-2007, 12:14 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
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[ QUOTE ] stack off. [/ QUOTE ] come on, this is ridiculous. villain is "unknown." this does not mean he is handicapped. Try and consider how often this villain we don't have a read on has to be bluffing for a call down or a shove here to be +ev. Why do you think villain is bluffing here? [/ QUOTE ] how is this ridiculous again? I like calling down as well.
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#17
09-20-2007, 01:50 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
Dude just fold he has AK+ here always. And I like leading the flop with this range because villain will just check QQ and KK all day long, so bet small and make him "stack off"
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#19
09-20-2007, 02:10 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
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thats fair enough. i have absolutely no experience in this spot so i cant really be sure. Just seems pretty crap to put 70bbs in pf to fold to this donkey here. idk. as i said im 50/50 would like to hear other opinions. [/ QUOTE ] Jeez, did anyone look at the preflop action? Villain limped UTG, re-raised, and flat-called a 4-bet, then donked an A-high flop. And we are stacking off here? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] FWIW I 4-bet preflop in this spot just about never.
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#20
09-20-2007, 05:41 AM
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Re: KK, deep, 4-bet preflop, 120bb behind on A high flop
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Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players) UTG calls $2.00, 2 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $8.00</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $42.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $140.00</font>, UTG calls $98.00 Flop: ($283) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players) <font color="red">UTG bets $130.00</font>, Hero? Pot Size: $413.00 [/ QUOTE ] ummm villain has a set of aces. everytime.
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