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Old 09-17-2007, 09:41 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

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Ok, say I check, he checks behind, the river comes the 3 of hearts. What's your play then?

I guess only hands I beat at that point are over pairs, 55, and lower flush draws, so is this a check fold given his line?

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I think I'd push, we're not in that bad shape against his range and I get called by JJ or TT here all the time.
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Old 09-17-2007, 09:47 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

43 games 0.005 secs 8,600 games/sec

Board: 3c 4h 6h 7d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.721% 83.72% 00.00% 36 0.00 { Ah9h }
Hand 1: 16.279% 16.28% 00.00% 7 0.00 { TT+, 66-33, KhQh, KhJh, QhJh }


Is this a legitimate range, or not putting equal weight on the 33-66 part?
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Old 09-17-2007, 09:55 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

The thing that was throwing me off was the aggro. That aggro just does not go with that VPIP.

It does make sense that he is not likely to fold the hands he plays because they are likely to be fairly strong hands or they have outs to fairly strong hands (even if it is just overcards).

I think you played it fine to this point - you could make a case for raising a bit more on the flop, the problem is that he cold called $3 so a raise to $4-5 is probably not knocking him out and is actually committing you.

I think the turn is a check/call of a bet that gives you odds, with a check/fold of a bet that does not give you odds. If you are really hellbent on him having a set then you can discount your flush outs accordingly to account for the board pairing. I think it is going to be really hard to fold the best flush if this board completes you and pairs at the same time...
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Old 09-17-2007, 09:56 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

Even being very conservative it still looks OK.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

17 games 0.005 secs 3,400 games/sec

Board: 3c 4h 6h 7d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 58.824% 58.82% 00.00% 10 0.00 { Ah9h }
Hand 1: 41.176% 41.18% 00.00% 7 0.00 { TT-99, 66, 44-33, KhQh }
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Old 09-17-2007, 09:58 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

To clarify SB or BTN is 9/5/2?

Edit: nevermind it's the BTn, he range leans mostly to PPs and if he doesn't like to fold pushing seems good
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:00 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

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raise more on the flop for sure especially at this stakes. i think that fact u raised small is the reason u have a difficult turn decision

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How much would you raise to?

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4.95
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Old 09-17-2007, 10:15 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

Even if we tighten his range way up by rationalizing that AA and KK reraise preflop we are going to be well ahead. That's why I think it would be tough to fold this once we hit the flush.
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Old 09-17-2007, 11:52 PM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

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raise more on the flop for sure especially at this stakes. i think that fact u raised small is the reason u have a difficult turn decision

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How much would you raise to?

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i guess around 4-5ish. i guess maybe im just confused by stakes. an overshove push isnt bad either.
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Old 09-18-2007, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: 10 NL - A9s flops overs and nfd.

I like the idea of a AI bet on the flop.
I suspose it depends how much FE we've got, against these villains (BTN or SB) I don't know but against someone I considered decent I think I'd push.
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