NL 50 weird KK spot

[Keyser112]

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What are villains stats that gave you this must have aces read you have made?

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just a feeling. these situations occur so frequently at NL 50 that it was just a give away. i could never say 100% that villain had AA but by the vast majority of the time it is the case when I see this betting pattern.

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Did you look into his soul? Is that how you got the feeling? LMAO You're a nit.

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haha good reply. honestly as stupid as this sounds i actually think the games at NL 100 and NL 200 are easier to beat. well not so much NL 200 but def. NL 100.
but at the lower stakes players just seem to always be turning over i'm thinking they are having. you can really just play ABC poker and beat the game.

[Keyser112]

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What are villains stats that gave you this must have aces read you have made?

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just a feeling. these situations occur so frequently at NL 50 that it was just a give away. i could never say 100% that villain had AA but by the vast majority of the time it is the case when I see this betting pattern.

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If you were so sure it was aces why did you call him all the way down?

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because i am a donk and couldn't throw away KK on that board

[Keyser112]

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Teddie hit that nail pretty good. Seriously after reading your other hand and now reading this "i had a feeling response." Have you been in the 50nl long and are you winning?

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i only post the hands that i have played terribly wrong (or that i think i have played terribly) so the stuff you guys see here must make you all think 'let's play this guy HU for rolls' haha..
i 18 table, so often i do not make optimal decisions but that is just what comes with playing so many (on ONE 15' screen!!)

and after about 35K at NL50 I am up about 12 BIs.. but over the last 20K of those 35K I am about break even. maybe up 1/2 a BI.

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What are villains stats that gave you this must have aces read you have made?

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just a feeling. these situations occur so frequently at NL 50 that it was just a give away. i could never say 100% that villain had AA but by the vast majority of the time it is the case when I see this betting pattern.

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If you were so sure it was aces why did you call him all the way down?

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ding ding ding

[I'mVeryBusy]

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What are villains stats that gave you this must have aces read you have made?

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just a feeling. these situations occur so frequently at NL 50 that it was just a give away. i could never say 100% that villain had AA but by the vast majority of the time it is the case when I see this betting pattern.

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Did you look into his soul? Is that how you got the feeling? LMAO You're a nit.

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haha good reply. honestly as stupid as this sounds i actually think the games at NL 100 and NL 200 are easier to beat. well not so much NL 200 but def. NL 100.
but at the lower stakes players just seem to always be turning over i'm thinking they are having. you can really just play ABC poker and beat the game.

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LMAO - this is such a typical nitty response. I can beat good players way easier than bad players. OMG. R U SERIOUS????????????

[Keyser112]

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What are villains stats that gave you this must have aces read you have made?

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just a feeling. these situations occur so frequently at NL 50 that it was just a give away. i could never say 100% that villain had AA but by the vast majority of the time it is the case when I see this betting pattern.

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Did you look into his soul? Is that how you got the feeling? LMAO You're a nit.

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haha good reply. honestly as stupid as this sounds i actually think the games at NL 100 and NL 200 are easier to beat. well not so much NL 200 but def. NL 100.
but at the lower stakes players just seem to always be turning over i'm thinking they are having. you can really just play ABC poker and beat the game.

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LMAO - this is such a typical nitty response. I can beat good players way easier than bad players. OMG. R U SERIOUS????????????

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hmm that's not quite what i meant although it sounded so. i meant to specifically address the KK situation at the beginning of this post and how if played at a higher stakes i wouldn't not have been so quick to think 'villain has aces.'
i do believe that NL 100 is easier than NL 50 (on FTP anyway) but I don't have the BR for NL 100 right now due to my donking nature of buying into the $200 and $500 FTP tourneys lol.

[CalledDownLight]

meh, I think checking the flop is pretty good here. There aren't really any scare cards so it doesn't really matter and you only need 2 streets to get it in here. Everyone advocating a bet on the flop, why is betting flop and turn better than turn and river? I don't think it is. I'm fine with the turn even although raising isn't bad. I probably shove the river in this spot and expect QQ and JJ to look me up. This is AA a lot of the time even with his weak postflop line.

[Fiasco]

Im gonna go out on a limb and say that im the only one who doesnt hate your line.

I would be totally OK with how you played this hand if you had stats or data (minraised/reraised AA early before) to back you up. As is im still not totally against it.

One thought is that if you think youre not getting enough money in with this hand you can raise the rive and probably not get reraised by AA, while still getting looked up by TT-QQ.

[HesseJam]

just move in on the flop if you want to make things easy. Bet 5 if you want to make things interesting.

[GrumpyB]

OK, I'm a new guy so I know sod all, but I was re-reading HoH1 last night, and he writes something like (don't have book here to refer to for exact quote),

"You'll hear people telling you how they lay down KK because they *knew* the other guy had AA. Don't believe them - no-one knows. Aim to get all-in HU. OK, one time in 24 at a full table when you pick up KK you'll face AA and you'll lose your stack. But what you win the other 23 times makes the push a +EV play, so don't bother trying to work out which times you're facing AA."

OK, that made sense to me, which is why I have tried to remember it. But some of you guys seem to be asking the OP why he didn't lay down his KK if he knew he was facing AA. So an honest [and maybe dumb] question from a new guy here, do you think that with tools like PT you do have a better chance of spotting an AA than in a live tournament game [the HoH example] - or are you just being ironic?