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#12
09-13-2007, 07:01 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
Wow. This is my first post and I honestly appreciate most of the negative comments. It is almost useless to explain my play since you all want to be at a table with me now. If he had limped and we went four to the flop and then he came out and bet $5 on the flop, I would fold. No chasing OESD or BDFD. I probably would have folded to $1 bet. It was the way he played the hand. When the turn paired me I was pretty convinced I was ahead. His large bet on the river didn't seem like a made hand bet, it seemed like a bluff. Like his pre-flop raise and continuation bets. Maybe I play like a moron. I posted the hand for feedback, and I am getting that. I guess I didn't recognize that the play was soooooo bad. Now, please continue. I really want to get better.
Keith 
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#13
09-13-2007, 07:06 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
Keith,
I think it helps if you try to think what was the purpose of each bet. If someone calls a $1 bet on the flop, it tells you nothing, and the raise by him still tells you nothing, since your initial bet was so weak. If you honestly think this guy steals a lot, then you can call him down, I am not sure mpwk is the right hand to do it on.
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#14
09-13-2007, 07:09 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
[ QUOTE ]
Wow. This is my first post and I honestly appreciate most of the negative comments. It is almost useless to explain my play since you all want to be at a table with me now. If he had limped and we went four to the flop and then he came out and bet $5 on the flop, I would fold. No chasing OESD or BDFD. I probably would have folded to $1 bet. It was the way he played the hand. When the turn paired me I was pretty convinced I was ahead. His large bet on the river didn't seem like a made hand bet, it seemed like a bluff. Like his pre-flop raise and continuation bets. Maybe I play like a moron. I posted the hand for feedback, and I am getting that. I guess I didn't recognize that the play was soooooo bad. Now, please continue. I really want to get better. Keith [/ QUOTE ] since you have showed a commitment I'll provide a real answer. The thing about suited connectors is that they play best multiway (raised or unraised). If you cannot get a multiway pot then you are always better off having the initiative going to the flop and as importantly being in position. When you are in position you have the ability to take free crads, bluff scare cards, and also have more info when you decide to value bet. In this hand you did not see the flop either in position nor with the initiative so your best bet is to c/f once you miss the flop. Leading the flop so weakly like you did is only going to get either a call or raise from the pfr and oftentimes he'll make a raise with just overcards leaving you clueless and you should fold since you will have 10 outs at most, but you have no idea which ones are good. The turn is another fold because you still have 1 pair and a gutshot. You will probably make the best hand with 5 outs for 2 pair or trips and 4 straight outs, but this is not often enough given the odds you're getting. On the river you almost never have the best hand so it should be time to fold again.
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#15
09-13-2007, 07:11 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
[ QUOTE ]
since you have showed a commitment I'll provide a real answer. The thing about suited connectors is that they play best multiway (raised or unraised). If you cannot get a multiway pot then you are always better off having the initiative going to the flop and as importantly being in position. When you are in position you have the ability to take free crads, bluff scare cards, and also have more info when you decide to value bet. In this hand you did not see the flop either in position nor with the initiative so your best bet is to c/f once you miss the flop. Leading the flop so weakly like you did is only going to get either a call or raise from the pfr and oftentimes he'll make a raise with just overcards leaving you clueless and you should fold since you will have 10 outs at most, but you have no idea which ones are good. The turn is another fold because you still have 1 pair and a gutshot. You will probably make the best hand with 5 outs for 2 pair or trips and 4 straight outs, but this is not often enough given the odds you're getting. On the river you almost never have the best hand so it should be time to fold again. [/ QUOTE ] -yeah, what I was trying to say.
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#18
09-13-2007, 07:18 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
Keith,
I've been reading this website for years. I've been reading this forum since the beginning and I am now one it its mods. I have only ever said this once before, and as then I am not saying it to be mean. I'm saying it for your own good. Please move down in limits. You're playing at limits WAY above your skill level. You are going to loose a lot of money. Please move down until you learn to play this game. Judging by this hand, you should be playing $10NL at most. You will still loose money at $10NL but at least it won't be a lot of money. If you won't heed this advice, please PM me your screen name and when you plan to play. Your money might as well go to me as to anybody else. I suspect you're transitioning from live play to online. This may be why you have the mistaken belief you are a good player. You are not. And this is why I'm including this last part: Online players are much, much better than live players at the same stakes. There are a number of reasons why: 1 - Live, the lowest stakes are $1/$2 NL. Online, the lowest stakes are $.01/$.02 NL. So online the worst players are playing $.01/$.02 NL. Live they're playing $1/$2 NL. Online, $.01/$.02 NL is SIX levels below $1/$2 NL. 2 - Getting into a live game is far more casual than an online game. Live games often have inexperienced players stumble into the game on their way from the blackjack tables to the slots. Online you need to download and install the software, register an account and figure out a way to deposit. Online takes a far greater level of dedication JUST TO GET STARTED. 3 - When a player wants to make more money live, he moves up in stakes. Online, he multi-tables. In this way online players are able to put much more money in play while limiting their exposure in any one hand and avoid playing with better players. Online $.5/$1 NL players can make a nice living out of multi-tabling. There aren't very many live $1/$2 NL pros. 4 - No HUDs or Pokertracker live. 5 - Online players see many more hands per hour, particularly if they multi-table. More hands per hour equals more experience equals better play. 6 - Free alcohol in casinos.
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#20
09-13-2007, 07:26 PM
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Re: How do we stop button stealers?
Cry Me a River is my new hero - roflmao
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