A draw in a dry pot versus a bet

[mikeJ]

I would call.

Your equity in pot will improve if you are able to push out the sb/button, by maybe 15-20%. However, sb leads into 2 players in a dry sidepot, so his range isn't weak imo. Yes, he could have a draw, or a mid pair like 89. So if you raise, you get to fold out everything worse than top pair, but villain could easily have top pair/two pair/set. But if he does have worse than top pair anyways, he's going to give you a free card on the turn a very large % of the time. If you call, button will only raise strong hands that he probably would've called w/ if you raised.

Now if villain is folding top pair very often when you raise flop, then there is some merit in raising, but I would not give an unknown credit for folding top pair here.

[sirio11]

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Now if villain is folding top pair very often when you raise flop, then there is some merit in raising, but I would not give an unknown credit for folding top pair here.

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The merit is because villain may bet the turn with top pair (and you want a free card)? plus some kind of improving your chances to win the pot when UTG has something like AQ?

[registrar]

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Hero is BB, I messed up with the changes I made to the original hand.

Does anyone see the benefits of a push by hero in this situation?

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I always think pushing people off the best hand in dry sidepots has substantial, if inestimable, metagame benefits. But not more in this case than the correct play of building the pot so they can't fold when your draw comes in or improves.

[Eagles]

Maybe push... people are really stupid in side pots.

edit: By stupid i mean they will fold hands they should never fold.

[sirio11]

But the thing is, to win the main pot, you still need to make your draw, so if you're making your draw, would you prefer to have somebody else in the pot?

[NHFunkii]

I'm all about taking advantage of how terrible people play dry side pots, but usually they only bet with really good hands, so theres no way I'm shoving here

[0evg0]

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I'm all about taking advantage of how terrible people play dry side pots, but usually they only bet with really good hands, so theres no way I'm shoving here

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its prob closer to a fold than a shove

[shaundeeb]

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But the thing is, to win the main pot, you still need to make your draw, so if you're making your draw, would you prefer to have somebody else in the pot?

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wrong you can hit your pair outs clean up your equity vs him hell you may even have the best hand with 10high he has 3bbs and is basically folding nothing.

The mistake in this hand was PF, Shove pick up the dead money and win a 40/60.

[sirio11]

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wrong you can hit your pair outs clean up your equity vs him hell you may even have the best hand with 10high he has 3bbs and is basically folding nothing.


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yeah, yeah, I know (as I said that few posts above), but you can be also vs a SB with 2 pairs already or the AI guy could have something like Kx, or the button could have a set, I mean, the pair outs are really that big?, you need the AI to not have a K AND the other 2 guys to not have a hand. And having the best hand with T high, yeah maybe, AI guy does not have a 7,8,J,Q,A AND he's an idiot who goes AI with 93s instead of just going AI the next hand in the BB.

[shaundeeb]

sirio shove then see what they have seriously you are overthinking this hand and should have shoved PF with the perfect hand to have here basically in every way shape and form. And stack sizes are begging you to squeeze them to get HU and IFFFF one of the calls call you you're equity vs their range is very solid