TT in the SB (shorthanded)

[Bulletproof Monk]

to those advocating c/c over c/r

a) what do you figure our equity to be against his betting range?

b) what % of his hand does he 3bet our c/r with? (hint: its pretty close to zero)

[Fantam]

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to those advocating c/c over c/r

a) what do you figure our equity to be against his betting range?

b) what % of his hand does he 3bet our c/r with? (hint: its pretty close to zero)

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On the river I think that you were well ahead of a reasonable preflop raising range for the CO, that he may have called to the river with.

Lets say that you are ahead of AK,AQ,AT,KQ,88 and 77. You could possibly be behind a scared QQ or 99 that just made a set. So, you are ahead 68 comb to behind 9 comb.

But, I think the question is how many of the hands that you are ahead of will call your river bet ?

I cant see AK,AQ,AT or KQ calling. Just possibly 77 or 88 may call, but I think even that is doubtful with the 2 overcards now on the board to those hands.

On the other hand, I would expect QQ to call, and obviously 99 would raise.

What hands do you think villain would be likely to have that raised preflop, called to the river and would call a river bet, that TT would beat ?

[KitCloudkicker]

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What hands do you think villain would be likely to have that raised preflop, called to the river and would call a river bet, that TT would beat ?

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this is not a full ring, UTG Raises and UTG+2 three bets situation.

worse hands that are calling:

Ax (paired or unpaired)

any small PP

sometimes KQ

and a HUGE lol at even suggesting villain has QQ or 99 in this spot.

[Fantam]

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c/c is most correct.

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is this how you always play TT when an overcard falls on a big street?

if so you play bad.

and big aces call ALL DAY here in a shorthanded game - especially in a CO steal vs SB resteal situation. as do any pair. and they sure as hell arent gonna bet your hand for you. if you dont know this you dont play much shorthanded.

EDIT: just noticed you havent posted here in god knows how long. no wonder your advice sucks.



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Kit, Sykes did not suggest checking the turn, which was when the J fell.

Also, OP's read was : [ QUOTE ]
Villain is a solid TAG 25/19/2.6

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Do you really think that type of opponent is going to call this river with just A high or any pair ?

[KitCloudkicker]

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Do you really think that type of opponent is going to call this river with just A high or any pair ?

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why does a stat line of 25/19/2.6 have any relevance to this river spot? so he can read a shorthanded preflop chart, whoopie doo.

and to answer your question, with the possible exception of KQ, almost all opponents are calling with all of those hands i mentioned. unless, of course, i woke up this morning in a different universe and people play differently now that they have my last 15,000 hands or so.

[Fantam]

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this is not a full ring, UTG Raises and UTG+2 three bets situation.

worse hands that are calling:

Ax (paired or unpaired)

any small PP

sometimes KQ

and a HUGE lol at even suggesting villain has QQ or 99 in this spot.

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Oops, seem to be cross posting. Anyway, I would not have expected villain to have QQ, but just mentioned it as a possibility if he was playing scared. I could envisage him having called down with 99 though.

Anyway, I know that this is not full ring, but I still would not have expected villain to call a river bet with Ax or KQ. I suppose a small pocket is possible, but I would have been surprised to see this from a TAG.

Not much more to say, so I shall note your view and pay attention to what similar villains showdown against me in similar situations.

[Sushiglutton]

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this is not a full ring, UTG Raises and UTG+2 three bets situation.

worse hands that are calling:

Ax (paired or unpaired)

any small PP

sometimes KQ

and a HUGE lol at even suggesting villain has QQ or 99 in this spot.

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I agree that I wouldn't be suprised at all to see these hands calling even from a TAG. But what I don't understand is how u can think CR is a good line on the river, kid. If we check he will just check behind all these show-down hands? The only hands that bets are either busted draws and they won't call a CR, or hands that beat us. I think bet/call is by far the best line.

[KitCloudkicker]

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But what I don't understand is how u can think CR is a good line on the river, kid.

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yeah in retrospect CR sucks.

b/c is the only way to play this hand imo.

[Fadook]

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and big aces call ALL DAY here in a shorthanded game - especially in a CO steal vs SB resteal situation. as do any pair. and they sure as hell arent gonna bet your hand for you. if you dont know this you dont play much shorthanded.

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I just don't think this is true when talking about decent players at these limits because they don't 3-barrel bluff much. Look at it this way: if I had AQ, why would I bet the river? A solid player has called the flop and turn, which makes it very unlikely he's going to fold a made hand. If he has a busted flush draw, he's not calling a bet. There's little in his range I'm beating. Betting does nothing for me. Villain's probably good enough to understand all this, so if I bet, I doubt he's going to call with OCs.

In the actual hand, checking the river misses a bet the times he has A4s, A6s, or A6o (which are in his range) and checks behind, but may also induce a bet from those hands and worse. That, plus the chance that I'm behind makes me lean towards c/c.

[Bulletproof Monk]

you are missing all the 6x, 4x and 2x hands that are clearly in his range 6max