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09-07-2007, 05:54 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. [/ QUOTE ] Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids. [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA. [/ QUOTE ] I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you. 
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09-07-2007, 05:55 PM
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either. You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are? Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work? And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL. "What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids. [/ QUOTE ] Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point. If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up. The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children.
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09-07-2007, 05:58 PM
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Re: Let players use drugs.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. [/ QUOTE ] Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids. [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA. [/ QUOTE ] I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you. [/ QUOTE ] I'm a Gator fan, I know what it's like to have the biggest and best. Battling other schools for the best drugs is not what I want as a Coach or administrator. That's the side I am coming from, I understand what you're saying but you don't have to come off all high & mighty because you think I am the only one in the world to have this opinion. I work with colleagues everyday who have similar/more drastic opinions.
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09-07-2007, 05:58 PM
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I don't care about parity in college football, but I don't really care about college football because there is no parity.
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09-07-2007, 06:01 PM
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either. You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are? Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work? And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL. "What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids. [/ QUOTE ] Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point. If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up. The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children. [/ QUOTE ] Ok....then I have no idea what you are talking about. Test a 17 yo and not an 18 yo? Why? HS can ban whatever they want, we're talking about the NFL. You seem to just be making up some ridiculous irrelevant hypothetical that sounds scary.
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09-07-2007, 06:02 PM
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I don't care about parity in college football, but I don't really care about college football because there is no parity. [/ QUOTE ] GASP
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09-07-2007, 06:03 PM
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Re: Let players use drugs.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. [/ QUOTE ] Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids. [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA. [/ QUOTE ] I have never in my life met anyone who cares about parity in college football. Are you my first? Nice to meet you. [/ QUOTE ] I'm a Gator fan, I know what it's like to have the biggest and best. Battling other schools for the best drugs is not what I want as a Coach or administrator. That's the side I am coming from, I understand what you're saying but you don't have to come off all high & mighty because you think I am the only one in the world to have this opinion. I work with colleagues everyday who have similar/more drastic opinions. [/ QUOTE ] You think its somehow more noble to compete with them for biggest weight rooms, nicest facilities, and best under the table deals? I just don't get your point. Why are steroids somehow different? Also, it is YOU who brought upt he parity issue, and now you are claiming that you don't care about parity. No one cares about parity, so the impact steroids would have on parity (your point) is a non-issue.
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09-07-2007, 06:04 PM
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I agree. [/ QUOTE ]
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09-07-2007, 06:04 PM
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Re: Let players use drugs.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Yeah, we probably don't want athletes to be role models anymore either. You can't have every athlete taking them & then ban them from under 18 year olds. They're going to try to take them because they see athletes taking them. What happens if a kid is 18 in high school? Is he not supposed to be tested while the other kids are? Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. Let's encourage our kids, college, and high school athletes to take steroids for most of their life so they can completely destroy their bodies down the road. [/ QUOTE ] I don't get it, 17 year olds can't buy alcohol right? Are you talking about some sort of SUPER laws that we actually can enforce, as opposed to just the regular laws? How do you propose stopping 17 year olds from taking steroids, since things like laws and testing apparently won't work? And no, GOD no, athletes should not be role models. That is a horrible, horrible idea. But if you insist on it, then surely the one guy who makes an NFL team without steroids will be the greatest role model of all time, right? Talk about your Rudy! Whoo, how can we pass up a potential opportunity like that? LOL. "What about the children!?!?" is one of the lamest arguments ever. The NFL isn't responsible, the MPAA isn't responsible, the RAA isn't responsible. I want to see my freak-hulks destroying the Green Bay Freak-hulks, so too bad for your kids. [/ QUOTE ] Did you even read what I wrote? You can't have a 17 year old tested and an 18 year old not tested. That's my point. If you're just going to be completely sarcastic then don't even respond to my posts. Obviously, I do care about athletes being role models because athletes were mine growing up. The organization doesn't have to be responsible for the children, I myself want to be responsible. Just because you are a good parent doesn't mean you are going to keep your high school child from taking steroids if he feels pressured by his peers/society. If you don't care yourself, that's fine, but I never said the organizations had to care about the children. [/ QUOTE ] Ok....then I have no idea what you are talking about. Test a 17 yo and not an 18 yo? Why? HS can ban whatever they want, we're talking about the NFL. You seem to just be making up some ridiculous irrelevant hypothetical that sounds scary. [/ QUOTE ] Actually no, if you implement it at the NFL level it's going to trickle down to the NCAA & then the HS level, just as drug testing has trickled down. I'm saying you can't ban a particular age group from using steroids at the High School and College Levels because you would have some students falling under the ban & some not. I'm not being overly serious about this, I was just trying to say you can't pick an age & then ban it.
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09-07-2007, 06:10 PM
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Re: Let players use drugs.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Then we have the college teams who will buy steroids for their players because they can afford while other teams can't afford it. Talk about making the playing level even more unfair. [/ QUOTE ] Are you joking? It can't get any more unfair. College football isn't about parity... that's why you see the easy schedules for the "best" teams. Blame the NCAA, not potential steroids. [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm not joking. It can get more unfair, that's the point. It doesn't have to be about complete parity but potential steroids would increase parity even more. It depends on where you stand on parity in college football in general but 90% of things aren't controlled by the NCAA. [/ QUOTE ] 90% of the things aren't controlled by the NCAA? OMG REALLY?! That's why it's so uneven, LDO. If you want a fair playing field you need the NCAA to step in and regulate EVERYTHING. That's why I stated you should blame the NCAA. Oh, and you're obviously the fan of the wrong league if you are the least bit concerned about parity. I suggest you start rooting for the Jags, Fins, or Bucs.
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