66 in reraised pot - flops OESD vs regular Weak Tite

[cs3]

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I'm tempting to give some advice on this hand, but due to some interesting metagame purposes nh weak.

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you cant go say something like that and then not post any strat. wtf mate?

[Jamougha]

If there's even like one chance in ten that he's semibluffing the nfd on the turn then it's a call I think.

[cs3]

what do you think of my flop line? disgustingly weak or ok given previous history?

[aislephive]

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If there's even like one chance in ten that he's semibluffing the nfd on the turn then it's a call I think.

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I don't see how that could be true.

OP, shove flop zzz.

[Jamougha]

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what do you think of my flop line? disgustingly weak or ok given previous history?

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It's OK providing you do it to induce and call any turn card. If you shove he will probably call with AK on this board so that's good too.

[thac]

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aksflkasjfhslkdf I [censored] hate this guy. I spite call because he does this with air/overs/AcX a lot.

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this was my exact thinking. in a perfect world i would call vs his AA w/o [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], and i would river a flush just to put him on monkey tilt.
so are you Weak Tite?

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Haha no, he's up 2 stacks on me this month though.. pretty dumb hands too.

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $98.50
BB: $100.00
UTG: $82.25
MP: $121.30
CO: $104.05
BTN: $103.60

Preflop: Hero is dealt J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
3 folds, <font color="red">BTN raises to $4.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises to $14.00</font>, BB folds, BTN calls $10.00

Flop: ($29) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">Hero bets $22.00</font>, <font color="red">BTN raises all-in to $89.60</font>, Hero calls all-in for $62.50
Uncalled bet of $5.10 returned to BTN

Turn: ($198) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($198) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $198.00 ($3 Rake)

BTN had K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (a pair of Queens) and WON (+$96.50)
Hero had J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Jacks) and LOST (-$98.50)


Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $91.00
BB: $31.95
Hero (UTG): $132.80
MP: $117.80
CO: $107.00
BTN: $32.30

Reads: <font color="blue">after the first hand on another table</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $4.00</font>, MP folds, <font color="red">CO raises to $15.00</font>, 3 folds, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $132.80</font>, CO calls all-in for $92.00
Uncalled bet of $25.80 returned to Hero

Flop: ($215.50) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Turn: ($215.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

River: ($215.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 Players - 2 All-In)

Pot Size: $215.50 ($3 Rake)

CO had A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (three of a kind, Aces) and WON (+$105.50)
Hero had A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (a pair of Aces) and LOST (-$107.00)


Sigh at life.


Results? Did he really have AA no club?

[Dire]

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If there's even like one chance in ten that he's semibluffing the nfd on the turn then it's a call I think.

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I don't see how that could be true.

OP, shove flop zzz.

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When villain has overpairs / no clubs, hero has 17 outs making the call immediately (marginally) profitable getting 1.75:1. 8 outs when he has an overpair+club making it somewhat unprofitable. Even money on him having a club or not so whether or not he ever bluff/semi-bluffs really tilts the balance. Not going to do the exact math to see how often it has to be - but it's not very often.

[NL__Fool]

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spewing back and forth etc

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In the 2 hands you provided as examples I don't see him spewing at all

I see you spewing in hand #1 and he has a flush draw + gutshot giving him a ton of outs (from his perspective) (You stole from the cutoff so we can't narrow your range down to a premium holding.) I would felt on this flop every time against your 3 bet

In hand #2 he 3 bet your steal attempt (which was fine considering your huge stealing range with the 84s hand)

he Made a standard cont bet on the flop and then you gave him a free card on the turn.

In the 66 hand you need to felt this on the flop since you have a wide stealing range and he has a wide 3 betting range

Since you didn't I fold to the turn shove

[cs3]

i ended up folding and pretty much hating it.
i based my decision on the fact that in each of the 2 previous hands he checked the turn unimproved OOP with a flush draw + gut shot, so I felt pretty confident that he had an actual made hand when he open pushed this time...
i was planning to shove had he checked the turn but i should have just shoved the flop

[13_Xerxes]

He looks very str8forward on the hands you've posted. No spewy at all. On this basis, I shove the flop, and fold the turn...