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#11
09-05-2007, 01:34 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
Pf is wtf. You want to be out of position with a semi-marginal hand or draw in a raised pot to an UTG raiser who is 19/16?
Flop is pretty horrible. So you want to fold out weaker draws and weaker top pairs hands, and all weaker hands in general, while getting all hands that are ahead of you only to stay in (cuz they ain't folding)? Lead turn also. 
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#12
09-05-2007, 01:36 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
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[ QUOTE ] Well, first, what is he calling with that I beat?? second, my flush draw could prolly be not good anymore since the board paired...what would u guys put villain on?what hands? [/ QUOTE ] But if your going to just open shove the river, than why would you not just stick it in the turn? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ]
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#13
09-05-2007, 01:56 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
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Pf is wtf. You want to be out of position with a semi-marginal hand or draw in a raised pot to an UTG raiser who is 19/16? Flop is pretty horrible. So you want to fold out weaker draws and weaker top pairs hands, and all weaker hands in general, while getting all hands that are ahead of you only to stay in (cuz they ain't folding)? Lead turn also. [/ QUOTE ] lol
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#14
09-05-2007, 01:57 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
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[ QUOTE ] Well, first, what is he calling with that I beat?? second, my flush draw could prolly be not good anymore since the board paired...what would u guys put villain on?what hands? [/ QUOTE ] But if your going to just open shove the river, than why would you not just stick it in the turn? I don't get it. [/ QUOTE ] cause this way you get to let the nut flush draw draw for free but still save his last 300 if he misses.
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#15
09-05-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
No, cuz on turn I was losing to 55's 99's and AJ, on river only to quad 55's.
Jackall, so u just let go KJs against 2 ooponents 1 of them being 200bb deep and who is agressive enough to be raising something like JTS,QJs, 45s etc. all the time because being oop is the worst curse ever? And "considering" u had called with this crap being omg oop, what would u have done?
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#16
09-05-2007, 02:45 PM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
Fold preflop,
bet/call or crai turn.
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#17
09-06-2007, 01:43 AM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
aislephive said:
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Pf is wtf. You want to be out of position with a semi-marginal hand or draw in a raised pot to an UTG raiser who is 19/16? Flop is pretty horrible. So you want to fold out weaker draws and weaker top pairs hands, and all weaker hands in general, while getting all hands that are ahead of you only to stay in (cuz they ain't folding)? Lead turn also. [/ QUOTE ] lol [/ QUOTE ] Enlighten me
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#19
09-06-2007, 03:44 AM
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Re: NL600 PP--->sick spot
Preflop call is debatable, perhaps. Definitely not bad at all however. Against a typical 19/16 player's utg range KJs is behind, but not by much. This is a pretty standard preflop call for me. KJs can flop a bunch of excellent nut / near nut draws as well as hitting TPGK on the flop often.
Saying that the flop checkraise is horrible is stupid. All worse hands and draws definitely don't always fold, that's ridiculous. Especially because both OP and villain are very aggressive and are capable of getting it in very light. TPGK and the 2nd nut flush draw are probably crushing villain's calling range, believe it or not. All in all, preflop and flop are not bad at all.
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