[NL200]AQ against a squeeze play

[Shes92]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players. FWIW, hands like T9s, 22 and the like are a reasonable part of his range - it's not like a 19/17 is generally only 3betting with QQ+ and AK here.

Plus, due to the structure of the board it's very less likely that he will fire a 2nd barrel without a hand than can beat a pair of Queens, so we don't have to worry too much about reverse implied odds.

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Fair enuff but at the same time a lot of his hands will be ahead of you or can draw out on you in which case a call is not ideal. Sure small pairs are part of his range but how often is this a small pair? Not very often IMO. Again Im not saying that a fold is the way to go but I certainily need more convincing thats its a bad option.

Also with a marginal hand like this, if we are going to play shouldnt we be raising???

[Jay Riall]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players.

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Not really. I fold here vs a standard TAG until I think they are 3betting light. This is nowhere near a profitable pf call unless the guy is light 3betting, which an awful lot of random 19/17s are not.

[Wolfram]

I don't think a 19/17 is 3betting 22/T9s when he's out of position. Actually I think it's probably not a good idea to be doing that (if I were villain), but I suck at playing 3-bet pots.

[Shes92]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players.

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Not really. I fold here vs a standard TAG until I think they are 3betting light. This is nowhere near a profitable pf call unless the guy is light 3betting, which an awful lot of random 19/17s are not.

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I think sixhigh is referring to suggestion of folding to flop bet

[sixhigh]

The problem with raising is, that he can play perfectly against us. I.e. we don't fold out any better hands and he doesn't call with worse hands. He will have a draw with more than 4 outs very rarely, so we don't have to protect our hand.

But the best option is to dump it preflop if we are unsure how to handle spots like this.

[loosbastard]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players.

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Not really. I fold here vs a standard TAG until I think they are 3betting light. This is nowhere near a profitable pf call unless the guy is light 3betting, which an awful lot of random 19/17s are not.

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[holland3r]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players.

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Not really. I fold here vs a standard TAG until I think they are 3betting light. This is nowhere near a profitable pf call unless the guy is light 3betting, which an awful lot of random 19/17s are not.

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+1 I probably fold pre here less often than I should. I think I play the hand exactly the same as OP 4/5 times.

[Imrahil]

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Folding in this situation is one of the reasons why so many 'tags' get run over by better players.

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I thought he meant folding the flop???

[HoldEmNewby]

River seems like a block bet could be JJ-TT (if he's bad), AK or AA (depending on his agression factor). Looks okay without a good read.

[deaders]

I 4bet pre against a standard tag.