Raised QQ pf. Bet into by a LAG on a J78 board

[RAHZero]

If you make it $25 (which is too light IMO), SB shoves and BB folds, you're getting 2:1 on a call. Don't have PokerStove available to me now, but there's no way you're worse than a 2:1 dog against this guy's shoving range.

Oh yeah, and welcome to 2+2 TT! Haven't seen you at the tables lately, but I've been playing mostly NL $200 so maybe you've been playing higher.

[jc1418]

please do not raise, just call the flop, again please do not raise

[sh58]

i'd raise and call a shove, usually they have nothing here and are going to fold unfortunately, or they are on a draw or have a weak made hand

[RAHZero]

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please do not raise, just call the flop, again please do not raise

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Can you please give a valid reason not to raise? Besides "pot control" which isn't valid at all considering you have a LAG donking into you in a multiway pot, and he's unlikely to slow down on the turn.

[sh58]

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please do not raise, just call the flop, again please do not raise

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you have to raise to determine where you are at. are you just gonna call down to the river, or even worse fold the turn and find out at showdown that one of them has top pair and the other has middle pair, or some kinda of weak combo draw. if you raise and the SB shoves and BB calls, then you can safely fold

[cfb1739]

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Can you please give a valid reason not to raise? Besides "pot control" which isn't valid at all considering you have a LAG donking into you in a multiway pot, and he's unlikely to slow down on the turn.

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Because given the texture of the board and the action thus far, villains' range(s) for calling a raise crush one pair.

You beat AJ and KJ. That's it.

[jc1418]

dude thank you, ok so we come over the top and he goes all in after leading into the pf raiser and another caller, we're usually not ahead here. Other scenario, he has a weak made hand. I think these are good reasons for just calling

[cfb1739]

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you have to raise to determine where you are at. are you just gonna call down to the river, or even worse fold the turn and find out at showdown that one of them has top pair and the other has middle pair, or some kinda of weak combo draw.

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I wouldn't beat myself up over making a bad fold here because the pot is pretty small.

You raise and get called by either player. Now what? C/F? Stack off? Now you are in a REALLY [censored] spot.

[HoldEmNewby]

Easy call. Lets play the turn. Flop is 3 way, SB is a lag so your raise may still get called light and that may prompt BB to call light as well. Further more once you raise you're close to pot committed and will have to call a flop push and likely end up getting in your money while behind.

[donkeykong2]

raise to 25 fold to push.