nl200, weird spot on drawy paired board

[ttgirl]

like people said, theres no real value to raising the flop since a flush draw makes up a fairly small part of his range and you're either way ahead and have him drawing to 2 outs, or you're way behind and drawing extremely thin if not dead. i flatcall the turn and hate life if villain shoves river. You made this hand alot harder than it needed to be by making it a big pot.

[Demogorgon]

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If I am villain here and you flat call my turn bet I shove any river. As played on flop I shove turn and suck it up. but I don't like your flop line, I'd get busy on the turn.

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Shove? Elaborate why please.
Our range isn't as polarized as it may seem when we just call this turn.

[HoldEmNewby]

are we trying to fold a better hand or get value for our 8's on the flop?

i'd rather flat call the flop and raise a non club turn.

[Pasterbator]

i think you've played it perfectly up to this point.

now push the turn and get paid off by something stupid.

[jc1418]

why do you like a flop raise here? The hand looks like were ahead but do you think villain calls a flop and turn raise often enough? Although when they bet like that on the turn they dont fold too often so i guess u r right. I just feel like in general when i raise the flop here i pull villain off his hand by the end.

[GtrHtr]

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why do you like a flop raise here? The hand looks like were ahead but do you think villain calls a flop and turn raise often enough? Although when they bet like that on the turn they dont fold too often so i guess u r right. I just feel like in general when i raise the flop here i pull villain off his hand by the end.

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seriously?

[AMT]

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i think you've played it perfectly up to this point.

now push the turn and get paid off by something stupid.

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fully agree, this is such a donkey thing to do, im jamming with his stack.

[Michaelson]

Hold on, how come everyone wants to play a huge pot with a marginal pair on a paired board? I'm confused. Call flop. As played, call turn, and call any river bet on a non club.

[TwistedEcho]

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I just call the flop. I'm never folding to this turn bet.

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i guess i should have been more specific

raise or call on the turn?

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shove while chanting NO CLUB NO CLUB NO CLUB

If he somehow has you beat, note it on him.

[Nielsio]

Another bizarre thread.

Don't raise the flop if you aren't willing to push here.