Purposely scratching in 8-ball?

[NicksDad1970]

There's also some rules (so that's what this is all dependant on) where you must strike your object ball and either the cue ball or the object ball MUST hit a rail or you must make a ball legally.

That keeps people from just "hooking" or "snookering" their opponent.

[asofel]

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I was playing in a 8-ball tourny at Hardtimes in Bellflower a few years ago, and an unusual situation came up. They played ball-in-hand, and have the 3 scratches rule (if you scratch on 3 consecutive shots, you lose).

Player A had scratched twice, and had only one object ball left. His object ball (OB) was near the rail, covered on all 3 sides by Player B's OBs. Player B's shot.

Player B intentionally scratched, leave A with ball in hand. However, given the setup, there was no way for A to even TOUCH his ball. He just conceded the match at that point.

Josh

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I've never played 3 fouls in 8 ball, just 9 ball...but at very least the guy could have tried to jump and skim it...

[RR]

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I was playing in a 8-ball tourny at Hardtimes in Bellflower a few years ago, and an unusual situation came up. They played ball-in-hand, and have the 3 scratches rule (if you scratch on 3 consecutive shots, you lose).

Player A had scratched twice, and had only one object ball left. His object ball (OB) was near the rail, covered on all 3 sides by Player B's OBs. Player B's shot.

Player B intentionally scratched, leave A with ball in hand. However, given the setup, there was no way for A to even TOUCH his ball. He just conceded the match at that point.

Josh

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This is why there is typically no 3 foul rule in 8 ball.

[Daddys_Visa]

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I was playing in a 8-ball tourny at Hardtimes in Bellflower a few years ago, and an unusual situation came up. They played ball-in-hand, and have the 3 scratches rule (if you scratch on 3 consecutive shots, you lose).

Player A had scratched twice, and had only one object ball left. His object ball (OB) was near the rail, covered on all 3 sides by Player B's OBs. Player B's shot.

Player B intentionally scratched, leave A with ball in hand. However, given the setup, there was no way for A to even TOUCH his ball. He just conceded the match at that point.

Josh

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I have done this several times to people in 9-ball, but have never seen a 3-foul rule in 8-ball.

The only version of a "3-foul" rule in 8-ball I have seen was in a tournament when my opponent run down to the eight, missed it and hung it deep within the pocket. I had 3 balls right by that 8 that I could not pocket anywhere, even with ball-in-hand. So I proceeded to nudge my balls closer to the eight while leaving him no clear shot to the hanging eight. So he just kept giving me ball-in-hand without trying a crazy shot and I just kept nudging those 3 balls closer and eventually touching the 8-ball until he had zero chance to legally pocket it. So we reached a stalemate where neither of us would try to move those balls. The tournament director had to come over and declared that "after 3 consecutive shots by each player in which no attempt is made to pocket a ball or advance the game, the game is reracked and replayed". I have played competitive pool for a long time and have never seen that happen before.

And to the OP question of whether that was legal or not, those rules you are talking about only apply in bars, and every bar and town has different versions. That's why bar pool starts so many fights (aside from the booze), because there is no standard set of rules. In real 8-ball rules you can scratch on purpose if you want, but he gets ball-in-hand ANYWHERE on the table, so you basically lose the game. I know in many bars "ball-in-hand" is on the headstring and you cannot shoot backwards, only uptable, but that rule only applies on a scratch on the break in real pool rules.

[otnemem]

The only discrepancy here is whether you're playing bar or league rules. In most bar rules, you don't get ball in hand when your opponent scratches. In any game, it's legal to intentionally scratch. In bar pool, you won't get punished as badly for scratching, as the opponent has to hit from behind the spot. But in league rules, there are very few instances where an intentional scratch won't [censored] you (although they do come up).

[Lottery Larry]

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the cue ball is close to the pocket in such a way that you have no shot.

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I assume you have no blocking safety shot you can make either?

Of course you can scratch- but if it's ball in hand, don't you autolose, in effect?

[suzzer99]

IF you don't get ball in hand, as is the case in most bars I've played in, THEN scratching on purpose is a dick move and likely to get you punched. At least if in the midwest where people get really feisty about bar pool.

[gumpzilla]

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IF you don't get ball in hand, as is the case in most bars I've played in, THEN scratching on purpose is a dick move and likely to get you punched. At least if in the midwest where people get really feisty about bar pool.

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Yeah, this was my impression of the situation. Even if you don't get punched, people are going to give you a lot of [censored] and you probably won't really be welcome.

[daryn]

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In bar pool, you won't get punished as badly for scratching, as the opponent has to hit from behind the spot.

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won't get punished as badly? it's actually a HUGE ADVANTAGE depending on the table situation

[otnemem]

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In bar pool, you won't get punished as badly for scratching, as the opponent has to hit from behind the spot.

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won't get punished as badly? it's actually a HUGE ADVANTAGE depending on the table situation

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Yeah, I know. I wasn't referring to scratching on purpose, just scratching in general.