Please B&M read this

[Hair_of_the_Dog]

I don't ask to see cards, but I don't mind when people ask to see mine. I just adjust my game according to the information they just got. I don't change in a drastic way. Say I'm bluffing with AK and they ask to see my cards after they fold to me, I might play 2nd pair the same way against that player the next time it comes up. This is all if I think that the player who asked for the info is actually a thinking player.

I find that when a LAG is on a heater and someone (usually me, not a brag, just when I notice) takes them down for a large pot, someone who wasn't in the hand will ask to see the LAGs hand. I don't mind getting the info so it works for me.

[SNOWBALL]

I don't know of any 2p2ers who don't hate this rule, which is weird, because 2p2ers are the ones that could benefit the most from it. Total fish are the ones who I usually se invoke it, which is weird because they don't have the ability to incorporate the information gained or the mechanical playing ability to adjust their play based on that.

[AKQJ10]

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I don't know of any 2p2ers who don't hate this rule, which is weird, because 2p2ers are the ones that could benefit the most from it.

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QFT. I can't fault those who say IWTSTH abuse tilts them -- by definition, if you could fix tilt overnight, as a rational player you would -- but I'd think that'd be a big thing to work on.

Yeah, it's annoying. Yeah, we all have our peeves. (SOSA and showing incomplete hands at showdown are bigger ones for me.) But people will abuse this rule, and cardrooms will at least occasionally back them up. You can have a fit, or you can laugh it off.

Snowball's right -- those ignorant of the rule are typically too ignorant to gain much from its abuse.

[bernie]

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I don't know of any 2p2ers who don't hate this rule

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You know one now. I don't hate the rule.

I think people get way too uptight about it.

b

[SNOWBALL]

learn to muck your cards irretrievably. Failing that, go to PLAN B

In my local cardroom, there rule is that the player can only ask once per round. Make sure to inform the dealer if they are asking too often.

[VORP]

Lol, I love the plan B thread. Not quite that cool but I was dealing 1/2NL and had a guy, after taking a bad beat, try to rip his cards up. After a couple seconds of not making any progress he instead slipped the cards into his shirt pocket and walked out of the room.

[goodgrief]

Oh, don't worry. If I invoke IWTSTH it's because I think there is a good chance you are cheating. So if you want to look me in the eye and ask me if I think you might be cheating -- as cheaters actually do, since sociopaths are the boldest of liars -- I am happy to smile and say, "Obviously I think there's a problem."

I caught a couple of confederates at a little known place called Commerce and they yelled, screamed, and threatened to ask to see MY every hand -- and you know what? I'm cool with that, because when I show down MY hands, it's obvious that I'm not cheating. They got caught, they yelled for 15 minutes, their little party was broken up, and they separated. No doubt they were back the next day, since poker rooms have such pathetic game protection, but at least they weren't running their scam at MY table.

There are times when because of the size of the casino I am forced to play at the same table with my friend. In those cases, it can happen that someone invokes IWTSTH if we're in the same pot because they know we are together, and we are both aggressive players. Cool. I'm not offended. Because I'm NOT cheating. I don't enter a hand with my friend unless it's a damn good hand that I'm proud to show down. And I try to make the person comfortable who asked, so they won't feel bad about asking.

Yes, by all means, be a nit if someone persistently or without reason invokes IWTSTH. But if someone invokes it because they're the third party in the middle of a bunch of raises and re-raises, have a little understanding and don't try to make them feel stupid. They are doing their due diligence. It's in our best interests to make people feel comfortable that they're in a fair game.

In your example, where a winner asks to see a losing hand, well, that's just plain tacky and I hope the entire table heaps the appropriate social scorn on the sore winner. But a hotly contested threeway pot, where two of the people may know each other or even have a shared bank -- that's fair game for IWTSTH.

[Hass]

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Oh, don't worry. If I invoke IWTSTH it's because I think there is a good chance you are cheating. So if you want to look me in the eye and ask me if I think you might be cheating -- as cheaters actually do, since sociopaths are the boldest of liars -- I am happy to smile and say, "Obviously I think there's a problem."

I caught a couple of confederates at a little known place called Commerce and they yelled, screamed, and threatened to ask to see MY every hand -- and you know what? I'm cool with that, because when I show down MY hands, it's obvious that I'm not cheating. They got caught, they yelled for 15 minutes, their little party was broken up, and they separated. No doubt they were back the next day, since poker rooms have such pathetic game protection, but at least they weren't running their scam at MY table.

There are times when because of the size of the casino I am forced to play at the same table with my friend. In those cases, it can happen that someone invokes IWTSTH if we're in the same pot because they know we are together, and we are both aggressive players. Cool. I'm not offended. Because I'm NOT cheating. I don't enter a hand with my friend unless it's a damn good hand that I'm proud to show down. And I try to make the person comfortable who asked, so they won't feel bad about asking.

Yes, by all means, be a nit if someone persistently or without reason invokes IWTSTH. But if someone invokes it because they're the third party in the middle of a bunch of raises and re-raises, have a little understanding and don't try to make them feel stupid. They are doing their due diligence. It's in our best interests to make people feel comfortable that they're in a fair game.

In your example, where a winner asks to see a losing hand, well, that's just plain tacky and I hope the entire table heaps the appropriate social scorn on the sore winner. But a hotly contested threeway pot, where two of the people may know each other or even have a shared bank -- that's fair game for IWTSTH.

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I agree. I have actually turned my hand face up my self before the dealer had a chance to much it in a multiway pot when someone asked. My last post about asking if I was cheating was in a heads up situation, sorry I didn't clarify.

[AKQJ10]

Cliff's Notes (based on skimming): <ul type="square">[*]IWTSTH is really controversial. [*]Poker players in Florida are like poker players elsewhere.[/list]

[MicroBob]

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Cliff's Notes (based on skimming): <ul type="square">[*]IWTSTH is really controversial. [*]Poker players in Florida are like poker players elsewhere....[/list]
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.....but tend to think they are somehow different.