i have to shove this river - right? - Page 2

HoldEmNewby · #11 08-25-2007, 09:51 AM

its a call or fold spot really.

scv · #12 08-25-2007, 09:56 AM

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This spot kinda sucks. The only hand you are realistically behind is kq, although even that doesn't make a lot of sense. I would shove hoping villain just found himself in a [censored] spot with AJ/AT and didnt know what to do by the river so he bet. There is also always the chance villain just backdoored a flush with TJc or he just has a king.

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You realize TJc beats us right? Anyway I think this is KQ alot actually and I probably just call against this passive player. Its a pretty big bet on the river with just a K. Its a tough spot and very read dependant.

djj6835 · #13 08-25-2007, 09:58 AM

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You realize TJc beats us right? Anyway I think this is KQ alot actually and I probably just call against this passive player. Its a pretty big bet on the river with just a K. Its a tough spot and very read dependant.

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Oops. Yeah I stilll shove. This is a lone king a lot more often than kq imo. I cant see this beeing AK ever.

Heine · #14 08-25-2007, 09:58 AM

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its a call or fold spot really.

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Really? Care to elaborate? I think this is call for sure, close raise decision. Then again I got a full night sleep last night because there aren't monsters underneath my bed.

scallop · #15 08-25-2007, 10:02 AM

He could have an ace figuring he's splitting with any other ace.

He could have a king.

Thing is 0.6 af making that bet into you, I think these guys check/call with KJ, KT.

Deffinately call, but unless you think this guy would raise KQ on the turn, I would probablly not raise. I mean The most likely hand that he has is TJ I guess, and he figures he wants to extract some value, but I hink you will get overboated by a guy this passive alot.

scv · #16 08-25-2007, 10:05 AM

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You realize TJc beats us right? Anyway I think this is KQ alot actually and I probably just call against this passive player. Its a pretty big bet on the river with just a K. Its a tough spot and very read dependant.

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Oops. Yeah I stilll shove. This is a lone king a lot more often than kq imo. I cant see this beeing AK ever.

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From my experience, these type of players are'nt betting this aggressive in big pots with just a K here. A half pot bet or something I would shove over but this I still think just call. Its a tough spot really.

Shizzle12345 · #17 08-25-2007, 10:10 AM

Over how many hands is this? You guys are basicly making this dec over his AF... I had a AF of .9 last night over 110 hands at one table, but my overall AF is over 3, so it doesnt really say anything. If he has like 7-800 hands on this guy id take it more serious.

HoldEmNewby · #18 08-25-2007, 10:13 AM

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its a call or fold spot really.

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Really? Care to elaborate? I think this is call for sure, close raise decision. Then again I got a full night sleep last night because there aren't monsters underneath my bed.

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Give villain a betting range bro, and then give villain a calling range. If you can give him a range worth raising against to i'd love to hear it.

I'm still calling but what i'm saying is i'm folding here before i'm raising.

tarheeljks · #19 08-25-2007, 10:14 AM

i think that even a passive player leads a K here, so idk why you prefer folding to raising. (assuming the read is legit)

Bulletproof Monk · #20 08-25-2007, 10:15 AM

shove >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> > call >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> fold