LC: exploiting a strange pf strategy HU

[ymu]

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As he's effectively just kicking us up a blind level half the time, should we also go into push-fold mode at around 20BB effective stacks (on our BB only), given the size of the pots post flop? That is, push over his minraises with normal SAGE type values at 20BB?

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I don't really know what this means, but to use my own words, if your opponent is minraising you 100% of the time, then when you are minraised, act as if they are the new blinds.

ie, it is 100/200. you post the 200 big blind.

villain minraises to 400.

play this just the same as if you had posted a 200 small blind and villain had posted a 400 big blind.

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He's autominraising, so if we (as the effective SB) wished to make a real raise we would need to raise to 5-6BB for it to make any sense (ie not reminraise). That puts 10-12BB in the pot, not the usual 5-6BB. So, if we have a hand we would raise from the SB and only have ~20BB left, we should push?

E2A: and also, that we should be pushing these 20BBs with the same range we would open push with, not the range we would normally rrAI with?


But Devin just made a post that probably makes this one redundant, so I'll go get my head around that one. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[Josem]

ymu,

you're using lots of numbers there. i don't really follow where they come from, so i'm not going to put in much effort to figure it out - sorry.

i feel that you're making this a lot more complex than it needs to be.

simply act as if you are the small blind every hand. do whatever you would've done if you were the small blind with the relevant chips in the pot and in stacks.

it is quire possible we are saying the same thing.

[ymu]

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ymu,

you're using lots of numbers there. i don't really follow where they come from, so i'm not going to put in much effort to figure it out - sorry.

i feel that you're making this a lot more complex than it needs to be.

simply act as if you are the small blind every hand. do whatever you would've done if you were the small blind with the relevant chips in the pot and in stacks.

it is quire possible we are saying the same thing.

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Sorry. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

I'm just saying that we act as if we're the SB every hand - <u>but with double the blinds</u>. So we go into push-fold mode at around 20 real BB, not the usual 10BB, and not adjust at all for the fact that it's technically a rrAI.

I think it's just a minor corollary to your point that I wanted to check for logic failure.

[Josem]

yep, that makes sense to me.

[DevinLake]

took u two a long time to figure that out...sigh

[Josem]

meh. it's late on friday afternoon.


my brain doesn't work good then.

[ymu]

This self-exploiting villain thing holds true for any size of auto-raise.

I have a handful of villains who raise 3x on their SB every time. I hadn't thought about them in this way before. What I actually end up doing is pushing over them with stronger HU push hands and calling fairly loose with a lot of other stuff if we're deepish (they suck postflop, so I call quite a lot).

So I've not been pushing often enough according to Josem, and nowhere near enough according to Devin.

*goes off to get to grips with Devin's post*

[ymu]

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meh. it's late on friday afternoon.


my brain doesn't work good then.

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I mostly post in the too tired to sleep stage, so I doubt many of mine make much sense. Soz. [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

[Fuxl]

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I don't really know what this means, but to use my own words, if your opponent is minraising you 100% of the time, then when you are minraised, act as if they are the new blinds.

ie, it is 100/200. you post the 200 big blind.

villain minraises to 400.

play this just the same as if you had posted a 200 small blind and villain had posted a 400 big blind.

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Great idea thank you. Will use it next time

[DevinLake]

ymu...I'm curious to how they suck postflop that it's so profitable to 'outplay' them post flop. And secondly, what do you consider deep?

I know a lot of the 'outplaying' people post flop I do, requires quite a few BBs to be effective.

For instance, I raise preflop to 3.5bbs, get called by BB.

Pot is 7.5bbs.

Flop is xxx.

I cbet 5bbs, get called.

Pots is 17.5bbs.

Turn is X (x being good 2nd barrel card)

I bet 10 bbs, villain folds.

That's 18.5bbs it cost me.

Of course, it'll cost a little less cause of smaller bets in sngs compared to cash. But, that's pretty much playing for stacks regardless when ur HU in sng.