I help rip off an action player

[KurtSF]

Was the dealer in on it too, in your opinion?

[badluckal]

The inquiry was as to the level of the SOB-itude, I gave my opinion.

In my estimation, it is up to the players in the hand and the house to properly determine the action. Hypothetically, what if your account of the action was wrong?

Finally, if you are unsure as to the fairness of the game, I would recommend leaving the game or room in question.

[quirkasaurus]

i'm a littled confused by what happened.

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Dealer turns to check blinds and he asks her if she had pulled in his last call. She says yes I did, I correct her, no you didn't. She insists she did and SB pulls his bet back.

I end up arguing with dealer over BB, she insists i am it again. I lose.

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did you mean "pushed in her last call" into the pot?
kind of like saying "i call" but not putting any chips in?

Then, the argument about the blinds is different?
meaning, she should've been the big blind?

Also, you said "10-150"... what does that mean?
i'm used to seeing something like "10/20" meaning small/big blinds.

sorry, if i'm a little dense...

[AngusThermopyle]

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i'm a littled confused by what happened.

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Dealer turns to check blinds and he asks her if she had pulled in his last call. She says yes I did, I correct her, no you didn't. She insists she did and SB pulls his bet back.

I end up arguing with dealer over BB, she insists i am it again. I lose.

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did you mean "pushed in her last call" into the pot?

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No. The SB asked the dealer if she had pulled in his $150 'call' into the pot. Clearly he knew he had $150 that he had counted out as a call sitting in front of him that belonged in the pot.

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kind of like saying "i call" but not putting any chips in?

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SB had apparently said "I call", cut the chips out, but never actually pushed them forward into the pot.


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Also, you said "10-150"... what does that mean?


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Spread Limit. Think 5/10 NL but with a cap of 150 on the bet.

[bernie]

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In my estimation, it is up to the players in the hand and the house to properly determine the action. Hypothetically, what if your account of the action was wrong?

Finally, if you are unsure as to the fairness of the game, I would recommend leaving the game or room in question.

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Ever been a regular in a cardroom?

When you are, you look out for things. Dealers make mistakes. You want to help maintain the rep of the place so people/customers will come in.

Hypothetically, if your account was wrong and everyone still agrees to it(unlikely, if it's wrong), it still goes quite a way in showing that there are a few more eyes looking out for what is right.

Just shutting up and letting someone get ripped off is much worse.

But I agree with Howard. If they don't want to hear it, oh, well. You can't do much more. At least you gave it a try.

But it does make me wonder where you draw the line as far as watching someone get ripped off in your room. The crap of every man for himself including the room is BS. The room isn't your adversary. In many ways, it's your indirect partner. Word tends to spread about cardrooms. Especially in smaller markets if things like this are just let go regularly. Many of those rooms don't last too long. Which can suck if now your 15 min ride to the room just turned into a 45 min to an hour ride.

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[Howard Beale]

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Hypothetically, what if your account of the action was wrong?

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The floorman can be asked to check the film.

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Finally, if you are unsure as to the fairness of the game, I would recommend leaving the game or room in question.

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The games at Casino Arizona are fair and the room is well run. If the floor had been called they would've checked the film. It depends on how far DesertCat wants to go w/ it. He's a decent man and it seems to me that his conscience (that sometimes inconvenient burden) is bothering him. But, again, he tried, the dealer insisted he was wrong and that's good enough for me.

[SNOWBALL]

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Why were you talking if you weren't in the hand? Let the dealer, the active players, and if necessary the floor handle the action.

So major douche SOB in this case. Hopefully you were just drunk?

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Wait what?
Winning players should feel that it is in their interest to protect the game. This means the pot should be right, and there should be no cheating.

Plus it's the right thing to do.
I would have called the floor honestly.

[DesertCat]

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Was the dealer in on it too, in your opinion?

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No. She just wanted to move the game along. I obv. Should have tried harder, I think because the SB is a regular (and an okay guy normally) I didn't want to cause a stink that I would have to deal with at future sessions. If the SB had been the tourist and AP the regular I think I would have made more of a stink and I think the dealer would have been more likely to listen. Afterwards the more thought about it the worse I felt.

[bav]

My rule if I'm not in the hand is I bring up the apparent problem and hope that's adequate. If this doesn't happen, I tell the person being hurt "you should call the floor" and then butt out. If the player being impacted doesn't care enough to ask for the floor, I sure don't. I figure my duty ends once I've explained to the player there is a problem and that he has options to resolve it.

[DesertCat]

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My rule if I'm not in the hand is I bring up the apparent problem and hope that's adequate. If this doesn't happen, I tell the person being hurt "you should call the floor" and then butt out. If the player being impacted doesn't care enough to ask for the floor, I sure don't. I figure my duty ends once I've explained to the player there is a problem and that he has options to resolve it.

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Problem is AP didn't know. I should have gotten his attention and asked him, did you get the last bet? He could have counted and quickly we would have known. I just didn't go far enough and am embarrassed I didn't do the right thing.