Northern Colorado at Hawai'i - 100 points for Rainbow Warriors?

[Your Mom]

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Nobody wants to play them cuz they are a bunch of jag-bags and it's a dangerous situation--not because they afraid of losing

1) They play on a very injury prone turf
2) The stadium fills with flying garbage during the game which makes its way onto the field of play in large quantities during the second half
3) The Rainbows have a deserved reputation for hitting late and dirty pool
4) Officiating calls seem to go towards Hawaii an awful lot when they play on the islands

I've watched Hawai'i numerous times and there is absolutely no way I'd ever play them in Hawai'i.

Hawaii lost @ Alabama last year, barely beat an unmotivated mediocre Purdue team @ home, lost @ home to Oregon St, and beat Arizona St @ home in a bowl game

They're about equal to a midlevel big conference school and it's a joke to rate them otherwise.

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QFT, esp. #4 which applies big time in basketball too.

[NajdorfDefense]

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Ah, so people don't want to play Hawaii because their scum bag yahoos from an island that really isn't part of the US.
Right...
Has nothing to do with flying thousands of miles to get your ass handed to you by a program no one respects.

They were actually offering teams $600,000 to come play IN HAWAII ON NATIONAL TV, and no one wanted to go play them.

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Welcome to what Miami had to deal with for 15 years. I bet if UH starts doing 2 for 1s, they will get a BCS team to come out there every 3 years, like Miami had to do with ND in the 1980s, *after* they had won a title. Oh, and Florida dropped their annual game with Miami in the 1980s after we smashed them 31-4 [yes, 4, 2 punt snaps OOB] when they had 2 All-Americas in their backfield.

Let me know when Hawaii wins a title. Then get back to us.

Shady officiating is a legit concern.

[MicroBob]

What Michigan State's reason for pulling out?
It doesn't even count against their total number of games.

[MyTurn2Raise]

some Joe Tiller quotes

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On the scheduling of the Hawaii game ...
"This game was originally contracted in 1994 and we came to Purdue in 1997. The game was originally scheduled to be played in 2002. I told (athletic director) Morgan Burke that we didn't want to play that game. And that was when we had an 11 game schedule. So it got pushed back. I told him again, as late as last winter, that we shouldn't be playing this game. Of course by then, the 12th game had been added. He asked what we should do and I told him to call them (Hawaii) up and tell them, `We're not coming. We're just not coming, go find another opponent'.
The reason I say that is there is no guarantee from a financial point of view. It is a value-less game for Purdue University. They provide you with `X' number of round trip tickets, `X' number of rooms and `X' number of money for meals. You come back from this trip and you don't have any financial consideration that maybe would help your football program. Our locker room needs to be redone. The floor of our weight room is disintegrating in front of our eyes. It would be nice to have some money to do something like that from this game. None of that will take place."

On the officials at the Hawaii game being from a neutral conference ...
"I told Morgan Burke, if he was going to play this game, he needed to look after the officials and get Big Ten officials. He said he would do that and that has been taken care of."

On if he felt the officiating was fair when he played at Hawaii with Wyoming ...
"No. I know that the WAC, at the time, used to assign local officials. It got so bad that the WAC decided that they weren't going to do that any more. My philosophy as a coach has always been, when you go on the road, you take officials with you and when they come to your place they bring officials with them. I think it's the best way to guarantee fairness for both teams."

On if there are any special things planned for the trip ...
"The only thing we're going to do, on Friday, is to take the team for an hour and a half and visit the site of the Arizona (Pearl Harbor). I think it's good for our young people to have an appreciation of what's transpired in this country to give them the opportunity to play this great game. That's the only thing we're going to do."

On if he would schedule a game with Hawaii again ...
"No. If I were a west coast coach I would. But not here. I wouldn't be fair to bring the University of Hawaii team here. It's a nine-and-a-half hour flight. We're going to leave at six o'clock in the morning to bus to Chicago O'Hare field for the flight. So for about 13 hours, these guys are going to be traveling and we have a very tired football team right now. We practiced last night and it was like practicing in slow motion. But because of the schedule, we really had no option."

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answers are Mr. Tiller's

so...
1) long trip that exhausts a team either early in the season or takes away Thanksgiving off (in Big11Ten country)
2) don't make money off the game
3) A win doesn't help the resume
4) shady officiating
5) crappy stadium

why would anyone go there?


I understand Oregon St as they use the islands for lots of their recruiting. I don't understand a Big11Ten team or whatnot other than a vacation for its fans.



That being said, Illinois bball is copying what MSU did a few years back and playing @ Hawai'i this year before participating in the Maui Classic. The travel just about ruined MSU that year.

[MyTurn2Raise]

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What Michigan State's reason for pulling out?
It doesn't even count against their total number of games.

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among the reasons Purdue's coach Tiller listed,
these schools have a bitter past

read some comments around the web on Hawai'i
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Hawaii v Michigan State 05
Posted by DenverCuse2004 on Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:51 am

The Hawaii vs. Michigan State game was the most poorly officiated game in the history of the NCAA. Michigan State recieved absurd penalties at key moments having two scores called back for phantom calls. It was so bad that after that game the NCAA changed how officials were assigned to Hawaii games. Combine that with the fact that 4 MSU basketball player (3 of whom now play in the NBA) went down with food poisoning during the first game of the 05-06 season and it is no wonder MSU got out of that contract. Tom Izzo nearly went into the stands during that game after his injured/ poisoned players were being heckled by fans. I doubt that Michigan State will play Hawaii in any sport if they can help it after the classless and possible criminal actions of that program... and I'm not even a Michigan State fan!

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Re: Hawaii v Michigan State 05
Posted by hskrpwr13 on Tue Jul 03, 2007 04:02 pm
Its intersting that you mentioned this. I remember back in '83 when #1 50pt/game NU went to Hawaii and the officiating was gawd awful. Crazy penalties against NU and Hawaii could do no wrong. If I recall correctly, Hawaii was winning 10-0 at the half. TO let the officials have it. The second half NU game out firing and won 38-10. NU fans were dumbfounded with the way that first half was officiatated. I dont know much about it now, but I thought it was intriquing that a fan of another school had the same time of experience over a decade later.

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Then, read what Colt Brennan says about Hawai'i's crappy facilities



Don't fool yourselves....this is about a mid-level big conference equivalent

They lost @ an underachieving Bama
They barely beat a mediocre Purdue team when Purdue threw two key picks late in the game after gaining control from 17 down
They lost to Oregon St at home
They beat a mediocre Arizona St squad in turmoil

[barryc83]

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Ah, so people don't want to play Hawaii because their scum bag yahoos from an island that really isn't part of the US.

Right...

Has nothing to do with flying thousands of miles to get your ass handed to you by a program no one respects.

They were actually offering teams $600,000 to come play IN HAWAII ON NATIONAL TV, and no one wanted to go play them.

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AAAAAAHHHHHHH, this post tilts me so hard. UH lost to Bama last year, a team that finished in the bottom 3rd of the SEC. There's absolutely no reason for any decent BCS team to go to UH. The risk/reward is terrible, how can you not comprehend that. It's Hawaii man, they don't really deserve any respect yet.

[MicroBob]

Lots of teams with lousy risk/reward are able to attract higher-caliber teams to come play them...and they aren't in locations as exotic and attractive as Hawaii which really is a big reward/attraction for the players...and those schools also don't have the advantage of offering a game that doesn't count against your max.

When Miami, Ohio scheduled their game at Hawaii years in advance the whole program knew about it. I have to think that it was selling point for recruits.
"Hey, in a couple years we finish the season with a game at Hawaii!!"

Hawaii could definitely do better than
Northern Colorado regardless of the risk/reward thing.
There is simply no way that every single school out there is refusing to play at Hawaii.

However, if MSU's cancellation came extremely late then obviously their options for that week would limited.

[jstnrgrs]

This is what happens when they let teams pick their own schedule. They should have a formula or commitee that assigns at least two non conference games for each team per year (one home, one away). Teams should be required to participate in these games to be BCS eligable, and these games should not be announced until the end of the previous years bowl games.

Unfortunatelly, like with most things about college football, this will never happen.

[JaredL]

First of all LET'S GO BOWS. I mainly follow their two volleyball teams but in football they are one of my second-layer of support teams since my wife is from there and went to UH for a year before we met.

What surprises me is that they can't get middle of the road or toward the bottom teams from big conferences. Their schedule would look better if they played say Oregon State, Texas Tech, Iowa and Georgia than teams like NCU and I don't see why teams at that level wouldn't give it a shot.

I also wonder about the tv audience. They have a ton of nationally televised games for a team of their status, but these games pretty much always start after midnight on the East Coast due to the time gap (6 hours early in the season, 5 late).

[TheRover]

The reason Texas Tech and Hawaii don't play each other is to keep me from having the world's largest and longest orgasm, which would surely kill me, so I'm pretty OK with that.