Call or Fold?

[kevxu315]

The fact that big blind and small blind limped...would u feel that you are that much of an underdog preflop?

All of saying is its not the best choice to limp with J4 here but its not the worse thing either.

[kevxu315]

Maybe.

But is the payoff really worth it?

Like is it really worth it to risk 25 times the pot just to see if he limped with AA or KK?

I think the previous poster is absolutely right from an EV point of view you have to let this go.

[Johnny Drama]

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All of saying is its not the best choice to limp with J4 here but its not the worse thing either.

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it actually is the worst thing, because you've gotten very lucky and flopped trips, and you still don't know what to do.

[kevxu315]

not really, you know you have position advantage the entire hand and i DID know what to do in that situation, which is to fold. rofl.

[xMars]

#1 you are posting in the BEGINNER forum. so advise given is for beginners. as a new player it is recommended to NOT play junk as J4, because a beginner does NOT know how to play a hand like that on the flop

#2 if you come in here with your "you are all wrong, i KNOW how to play this hand and what i had to do", then why bother posting if you dont wanna listen anyway?
or if you feel that you are too good for the advise?

[PantsOnFire]

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Maybe.

But is the payoff really worth it?

Like is it really worth it to risk 25 times the pot just to see if he limped with AA or KK?

I think the previous poster is absolutely right from an EV point of view you have to let this go.

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I'm not sure I get you here. Yes, the pot is miniscule compared to your stack but you get the other guy's stack if you're right so the payoff is doubling your stack.

The odds are virtually 1:1 so you need to be right 50% of the time.

[kevxu315]

wow a lot of random assumptions/speculations there.

Occams razor: lets keep it simple champ. I am merely arguing that limping in that situation with J4 (i wouldn't do it all the time) but once in a while is OK (obviously u fold to a 3X raise there)

The other posters argument seems to be that it is NEVER OK to play J4.

[kevxu315]

YES and therefore...

it does not make sense to call in a cash game.

It does not make sense to call early in a tournament either.

[kevxu315]

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Maybe.

But is the payoff really worth it?

Like is it really worth it to risk 25 times the pot just to see if he limped with AA or KK?

I think the previous poster is absolutely right from an EV point of view you have to let this go.

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I'm not sure I get you here. Yes, the pot is miniscule compared to your stack but you get the other guy's stack if you're right so the payoff is doubling your stack.

The odds are virtually 1:1 so you need to be right 50% of the time.

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Also you are forgetting that while the odds may be 1:1 (thats debatable in my opinion) but for argument's sake, can you honestly tell me that from an EV perspective it makes any sense to risk 500BB when you are not pot committed in any way and you have no read on either player? (I don't see how you can just assume or dismiss that the first player is not strong either because it seems like you are solely concentrating on the big blind.)

A lot of players will flop a set and bet early position.

My point is if any of these two have a J, you have to assume their kicker is a 4 or under. (thats a stretchy assumption)

[choccypie]

If you're playing J4 to hit trips on the flop, I lol.