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Old 08-22-2007, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

check and if he checks push river
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

you need him to think you are pushing him around/spewing/like to shove scare cards to make this good
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:46 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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check and if he checks push river

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so you guys are check/folding the turn ?

edit: wow
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:51 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

^^ hell no
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Old 08-22-2007, 01:52 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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the only time we can reasonably represent a bluff is by shoving the turn and it's our only chance against a reasonable player to represent a hand weaker than we have.


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Old 08-22-2007, 06:36 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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Well, I'd shove here with pretty much my entire 3-bet range...

[/ QUOTE ]That seems to give villain awfully good implied odds for calling your 3bets if you just keep betting afterwards.

If he's good then betting the turn is good as some have indicated as it looks like you are repping the K. A smaller bet may accomplish the same though.

But overall I'd just stackadonk here.
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Old 08-22-2007, 07:06 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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the only time we can reasonably represent a bluff is by shoving the turn and it's our only chance against a reasonable player to represent a hand weaker than we have.


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Old 08-22-2007, 07:10 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

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the only time we can reasonably represent a bluff is by shoving the turn and it's our only chance against a reasonable player to represent a hand weaker than we have.


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I agree with this 100% BUT I think this only holds true if villain is good and is capable of thinking somewhat deeply into a hand, and this is also dependent upon hero's image. If you have a reasonable/snug image, you're never getting looked up by JJ here. If your name is SMART LAG you might get looked up by middle pair.
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Old 08-22-2007, 10:53 AM
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Default Re: QQ 3-bet pf oop, cbet, and shove K turn

If you have a laggy image this is good, if your image is nitty, this sucks.
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Old 08-22-2007, 03:36 PM
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If you have a laggy image this is good, if your image is nitty, this sucks.

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pretty much.
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