Awful river, c+f?

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I don't get what this accomplishes.

[registrar]

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block this river

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I don't get what this accomplishes.

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It depends whether we're check-calling a push or not. If so, we sometimes see a cheaper showdown against AK and often against KQ and, if not, we don't get bluffed off the best hand by a busted flush.

FWIW I don't think we've got enough room to bet-fold (although I've seen Bax successfully block some weeny amount in similar situations which may freeze any K scared of a boat and will get paid off by QQ)

[BarryLyndon]

I gotta go with a check/call here, the board is rife with possibilities for a bluff once you check and his 15 second time-out stinks of a "plan" of sorts.

Barry

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I don't get what this accomplishes.

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It depends whether we're check-calling a push or not. If so, we sometimes see a cheaper showdown against AK and often against KQ and, if not, we don't get bluffed off the best hand by a busted flush.

FWIW I don't think we've got enough room to bet-fold (although I've seen Bax successfully block some weeny amount in similar situations which may freeze any K scared of a boat and will get paid off by QQ)

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Check/calling a push might be profitable though (I for one think it is), so blocking only prevents that from happening. I don't think it gets us a cheap showdown vs. Kx often enough to make up for the value we lose from a worse hand bluffing.

[uclabruinz]

Villain has 56/44/77/88 here a lot. Might have Kx or missed flush draw, but probably not often enough to make check/calling profitable.

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Villain has 56/44/77/88 here a lot. Might have Kx or missed flush draw, but probably not often enough to make check/calling profitable.

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You advocating a check/fold or a bet? It sounds like a check/fold to me based on: "Villain has 56/44/77/88 here a lot." And since he has these hands that were there on the turn a lot, what's your play on a brick river?

I happen to disagree that he has these hands a lot because I think you hear more from them on the turn, more often than not.

[Pudge714]

I would have bet more on the flop and maybe more on turn
As played I think you need to call river but except to be behind a lot.

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I would have bet more on the flop and maybe more on turn

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This seems kinda results-oriented to me. Why is there a need to bet more on the flop or turn here? Bond makes standard bet amounts here that are pretty optimal against hands drawing to 5-9 outs against us.

[Requin]

Meh, I think the buyin (and therefore the skill level) is too low to be folding here. I'm not real happy with it but I'd c/c.

[Pudge714]

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I would have bet more on the flop and maybe more on turn

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This seems kinda results-oriented to me. Why is there a need to bet more on the flop or turn here? Bond makes standard bet amounts here that are pretty optimal against hands drawing to 5-9 outs against us.

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Three way on that flop I would be a little more inclined to bet more. Once he bets the flop like that turn is fine because it sets up a good river shove. This isn't really results oriented as giving stack sizes we need three bets to get it in here unless we overbet.