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#11
08-17-2007, 04:52 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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Raising the flop is a mistake IMO despite the equity edge. We get hurt really badly when he 3 bets us with the top part of his range, and it stops him from firing with 6 outs on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Good point 
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#12
08-17-2007, 05:03 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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[ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is a mistake IMO despite the equity edge. We get hurt really badly when he 3 bets us with the top part of his range, and it stops him from firing with 6 outs on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Good point [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... And building the pot on the flop is not great in this spot since you almost need to call down if 3-bet, and don't get payed when you hit your draw... hmm it was an interesting idea, but I think calling is better.
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#13
08-17-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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raising the flop with a gutshot and one over is not a bad idea. As played I fold river. [/ QUOTE ] i mix up raising and calling that J is a death card though. You might accidently get value bluffed from a worse A as well
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#14
08-17-2007, 05:26 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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I would represent A7, K7s, a set 88 or 99. Also we can checkbehind on turn UI and induce a bluff on river. [/ QUOTE ] My point is that your aren't credibly representing these hands, because you are unlikely to raise the flop with any of them except maybe k7s...
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#15
08-17-2007, 05:35 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is a mistake IMO despite the equity edge. We get hurt really badly when he 3 bets us with the top part of his range, and it stops him from firing with 6 outs on the turn. [/ QUOTE ] Good point [/ QUOTE ] Yeah... And building the pot on the flop is not great in this spot since you almost need to call down if 3-bet, and don't get payed when you hit your draw... hmm it was an interesting idea, but I think calling is better. [/ QUOTE ] I was definetely surprised to see how much eq hero has. Just calling the flop is my standard play but I would have guessed that hero has something like 40% eq I dont mind building a big pot when I am in position BTW
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#16
08-17-2007, 05:41 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
If you raise the flop, are you second barrelling the turn, or taking the free one?
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#17
08-17-2007, 05:45 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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[ QUOTE ] raising the flop with a gutshot and one over is not a bad idea. As played I fold river. [/ QUOTE ] i mix up raising and calling that J is a death card though. You might accidently get value bluffed from a worse A as well [/ QUOTE ] I don't think there is a worse ace.
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#18
08-17-2007, 05:56 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
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If you raise the flop, are you second barrelling the turn, or taking the free one? [/ QUOTE ] If we raise flop I think taking a free card is better and calling river. That way we don't fold against a semibluff and may induce a pure bluff on river. Also we get an extra chance to hit our draw.
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#19
08-17-2007, 07:40 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
checking behind turn and calling river is so bad. bet the turn and get him to fold a better ace or 6 outs. pretty sure you should fold the river if you take a free card.
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#20
08-17-2007, 08:00 PM
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Re: Is there showdown value here?
I would raise the flop and check behind on the turn. If he bets the river I would call and if he checks the river I would check behind. I would hate to get c/r'd on the river and have to fold. So yea I would go flop raise, turn check, river call or check behind if given the chance.
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