new to plo ... line check, nut boat in turn

[chucky]

Many posters have a shove the river policy here, Why? I just dont think villian will carry aaxx and kkxx down to river. 66xx is unlikely to raise preflop except aa66/kk66/qq66 senarios, and in those cases villian probably goes after turn.

[FireStorm]

He can have 7xxx here sometimes, including AA7x. If he doesn't have 7xxx, and OP is deep, shoving is pointless because there's not much Villain can have that can call. He may fold AAxx and probably doesn't have it all that often anyway.

[vapourtrail]

> Lol pushing river. As played river is such a gay spot, I fold against most but call against unknown

If i lead the river for say 30, should I fold if I am raised? I wasn't really sure so that's why I chose check-call...

I guess what I'm getting at is how often you'll run into the case 7... In holdem, if raised there it's more like "the case 7? yeah right a-hole, i call" , and if you are beat by quads well it's just a cooler ... but in omaha is it a good idea to give him credit for quads there more often than not?

[original_red]

In holdem, when it flops 3 spades and turns x of spade in a raised 3 way pot holding the Ks, it's normal to think "I better not get too carried away.. someone might hold the As" and could fold to an all-in.. But when xKK flops, and K turns, same situation holding AA, the thinking goes like "no way someone holds the case K here" I 'm just about golden with this flop, feeling no problems with sticking it all-in..
But both situations are identical.. 1 card only is to beat your hand, and that one card is out there much more often than you'll like to see..
As this hand is played out, pot raising the river is horrible. Chances of case 7 is absolutely present, especially as the hand is played, + villain will most likely instafold from an all in, making it a terrible play..
As RoundTower's saying: I'd call, but not like it.
If you should raise, something like a min-raise would have more value to it I think.. That atleast villain could call.

[vapourtrail]

> But both situations are identical.. 1 card only is to beat your hand, and that one card is out there much more often than you'll like to see..

It's true that there is one card that beats your hand in both cases, but the action makes some combinations much more likely than others.

A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] flop is much more likely to bet/call/raise

than a 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] on 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] flop is ...

[chucky]

Humor me. Did villian turn over jt97?

[iggymcfly]

First off, A993 is garbage. No way you want to play it OOP. River's really tough between a call and a fold. It would help a ton to have a read, but it's definitely going to be a 7 more often than not. Will it be one more often than 2 times out of 3? Probably, but it's close enough that calling can't be much of a mistake. Any kind of read here would be helpful though. FTR, if you call it's to beat a bluff from a straight or something; you'll hardly ever see villain shoving something worse for value.

[original_red]

"but the action makes some combinations much more likely than others."

Very true indeed!

Just wanted to mention the general ignorance towards quads.. my point was kinda.. being ignorant in holdem is bad.. but in omaha, it's a disaster..