Misplayed this one I think

[Xanta]

Yeah I didn't notice that the sample size is tiny. I'm real borderline about fold/call with this one now preflop. Your postflop line is real easy though.

[AZplaya]

Rolen,
If you 4 bet how much and what do you do if villian shoves?

[Rolen]

~$17, fold to a push.

[QuietEarner]

I'm probably folding to the 3 bet preflop and making a note to see if it's a normal thing.

[Student Caine]

Grunch:

Preflop: I fold this. 25 hands is just not enough for a solid read, and even with that he is 3-betting us here (not just raising), so unless I specifically know that he has a wide range for his 3-betting I drop this - we are setting ourselves up for some really nasty decisions post flop if we hit our ace.

Flop: Yay! and Ugh! You are either way ahead of QQ/JJ/TT or way behind AA/KK/AK. I try to get to the river as cheaply as possible, especially since any type of significant raise here pot commits me (I do not like min raising ever). So I think that we can call here and fold to a significant turn bet.

[automaton_22]

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Calling in position is perfectly fine against this guy. You're now in a WA/WB situation, really can't fold your hand (he cbets a whole lot worse, 4 combos of AK and one each of AA, KK) I call, intending to call down or to check behind on a blank turn and then valubet the river (against JJ-QQ, Ax) if checked to again.

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WA/WB? Define?

[Xanta]

WA/WB means way ahead or way behind. Basically in this spot he's either [censored] by AK-KQ, KK, AA and has no chance of catching up, or is killing everything else and only has to dodge like 2 outs tops. In these situations general wisdom is to c/c down, maintain pot control and don't scare off the hands you're killing.

[Jw513]

I think I fold preflop in this situation

But as played, call the flop and see what he does on the turn. If he had QQ/JJ and was 3 betting preflop, this type of flop would be a good spot to cbet. If you call, hes got to think that you hit a piece of that flop and I think theres a big chance that he checks turn unimproved.