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Old 08-16-2007, 03:04 PM
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

what were u expecting him to do vs your raise?
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:51 PM
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

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Yeah, this isn't results oriented but on that board and given his action I think I'm flatting his flop donk and re-evaluating when the turn comes down.

Fold, as played.

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Old 08-16-2007, 03:51 PM
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what were u expecting him to do vs your raise?

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Old 08-16-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

make him give up if he has a draw (for example an OESD with 88). but of course he will not give up other draws like 89 of spades for example.

since he is very aggro and because of the flop texture i supposed it's more likely he is on a draw than on a made hand. so i wanted him to pay for the turn card / give him bad odds.
people sucked out on me lately soooo often. but maybe this is the wrong adjustment.
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:03 PM
Aschweinsteiger Aschweinsteiger is offline
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

he cant realisticaly have AA or KK b/c u said if he just called a 3bet then hes probabl gonna slow play or at least not play it that fast.

You have to raise this flop, u have the lead and theres alot of draws out there.

call
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Old 08-16-2007, 04:43 PM
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

I like your reraise if the idea is to call a shove. His overbet shove is more often a draw (of which there are WAY more combinations than sets). So you play the variance game and call here.
After your reraise, your pot odds and equity price you in. IMO, you will see pair plus straight draw here a good bit of the time.
Also, flush plus anything more will really like this board and take this line oop.

If you don't want to call his shove, flat call and don't play scared on a good turn.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:49 PM
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Default Re: QQ with too much action on draw-heavy flop (NL200)

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make him give up if he has a draw (for example an OESD with 88). but of course he will not give up other draws like 89 of spades for example.

since he is very aggro and because of the flop texture i supposed it's more likely he is on a draw than on a made hand. so i wanted him to pay for the turn card / give him bad odds.
people sucked out on me lately soooo often. but maybe this is the wrong adjustment.

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he's not leading out 88 to fold to a raise!

In fact, pretty much any hand that leads this flop is going to either shove or fold to a raise, and tbh, most are going to shove
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