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08-09-2007, 11:07 AM
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Re: FTOPS #1: TT vs villian pf limp/call my raise ... rag flop
I'm not sure metagame is quite the word for it, because that implies that a similar situation has to come up later (or have come up already) to get the payoff. But in a situation like this, even without reference to any hands that come before or after, the range of hands with which you can profitably make a pot-sized raise is considerably smaller than the range with which you can profitably 4x. You're putting more money into the pot than you need to accomplish your purpose (isolate and put pressure on the limper), which broadcasts that your hand is above a certain threshold strength. Basically when you pot rather than 4x it is way less likely you are semi-bluffing and way more likely that you have a hand you are willing to felt. Broadcasting that information can only help Villain and hurt you.
However, that fact that there is a pot button at all on FTP offers you some defense, since the move looks less strong than if you 5x'ed on Stars, where it requires more deliberate effort on your part to choose that exact raise size rather than the alternaties. 
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#13
08-09-2007, 11:09 AM
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Re: FTOPS #1: TT vs villian pf limp/call my raise ... rag flop
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I'm not sure metagame is quite the word for it, because that implies that a similar situation has to come up later (or have come up already) to get the payoff. But in a situation like this, even without reference to any hands that come before or after, the range of hands with which you can profitably make a pot-sized raise is considerably smaller than the range with which you can profitably 4x. You're putting more money into the pot than you need to accomplish your purpose (isolate and put pressure on the limper), which broadcasts that your hand is above a certain threshold strength. Basically when you pot rather than 4x it is way less likely you are semi-bluffing and way more likely that you have a hand you are willing to felt. Broadcasting that information can only help Villain and hurt you. However, that fact that there is a pot button at all on FTP offers you some defense, since the move looks less strong than if you 5x'ed on Stars, where it requires more deliberate effort on your part to choose that exact raise size rather than the alternaties. [/ QUOTE ] Word.
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#14
08-09-2007, 11:23 AM
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Re: FTOPS #1: TT vs villian pf limp/call my raise ... rag flop
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I'm not sure metagame is quite the word for it, because that implies that a similar situation has to come up later (or have come up already) to get the payoff. But in a situation like this, even without reference to any hands that come before or after, the range of hands with which you can profitably make a pot-sized raise is considerably smaller than the range with which you can profitably 4x. You're putting more money into the pot than you need to accomplish your purpose (isolate and put pressure on the limper), which broadcasts that your hand is above a certain threshold strength. Basically when you pot rather than 4x it is way less likely you are semi-bluffing and way more likely that you have a hand you are willing to felt. Broadcasting that information can only help Villain and hurt you. However, that fact that there is a pot button at all on FTP offers you some defense, since the move looks less strong than if you 5x'ed on Stars, where it requires more deliberate effort on your part to choose that exact raise size rather than the alternaties. [/ QUOTE ] I have to disagree, I think the bigger raise of a limper looks and usually is a weaker hand than the smaller raise. Betgo's question implied this: don't we want to raise more to take it down right now? I like the smaller raise because it looks just like AA and KK would look.
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