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#11
08-03-2007, 10:15 AM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Don't open - minraise UTG. kjkjffj kgjhfgdgfsj You have less than 20BBs and have miles to go until the package = arrr iiiin pre - flop with QQ. And I'm sorry he had a better hand this time - the results are unimportant. But the min raise hurts my brain. dsahdahdahajghkj [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] In this particular case, If my goal is to get all the money in PreFlop, then the min riase worked out just great didn't it? Allin as first in doesn't cut it. [/ QUOTE ] That makes no sense whatsoever. Nobody is saying that you need to open - shove. A standard raise in the region of 3 - 5x the BB will get the job done just the same. Except that it is preferable for a number of reasons. You are going to be raising from UTG with stuff that isn't AA - QQ right? Are you planning to min - raise your entire range? This is really basic stuff tbh. Min raising first into a pot is bad (unless you are way deep in a tournament with a very low avg stack to blind ratio and people are folding to it). And doing vastly different things with the top end of your range as compared to the rest of it "in order to get some action" is also very bad. Unless Bill Chen says otherwise of course... 
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#13
08-03-2007, 10:31 AM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
There is nothing inherently wrong with minraising in many situations. you will put yourself in some more difficult situations post flop, but as long as the tiny preflop raise isnt an information leak its really no big deal. the biggest reason people hate on it is that most people who do it only do it with certain hands, or arent really able to adjust their post flop games to account for their preflop play.
btw in this spot get the money in.
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#14
08-03-2007, 10:42 AM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
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There is nothing inherently wrong with minraising in many situations. you will put yourself in some more difficult situations post flop, but as long as the tiny preflop raise isnt an information leak its really no big deal. the biggest reason people hate on it is that most people who do it only do it with certain hands, or arent really able to adjust their post flop games to account for their preflop play. btw in this spot get the money in. [/ QUOTE ] QFTQFTQFTQFTQFT Very well put, couldn't agree more.
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#15
08-03-2007, 01:53 PM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
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You are going to be raising from UTG with stuff that isn't AA - QQ right? Are you planning to min - raise your entire range? [/ QUOTE ] Yes! Exactly! [ QUOTE ] This is really basic stuff tbh. Min raising first into a pot is bad [/ QUOTE ] Apparently, it is not as basic as you think it is. You have given no arguments to show why min raising is bad. Its as though you are simply repeating a mantra that you have heard from recognized "strong" players. [ QUOTE ] Unless Bill Chen says otherwise of course... [/ QUOTE ] Yes, he does. Along with others, such as Chris Fergusen, who have tried to examine this from a game theoretic perspective. Have you read Bill's book yet? If you read it carefully, it may lead you to question some of your long held beliefs about the game. Suerte, Jonathan
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#16
08-03-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
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There is nothing inherently wrong with minraising in many situations. you will put yourself in some more difficult situations post flop, but as long as the tiny preflop raise isnt an information leak its really no big deal. the biggest reason people hate on it is that most people who do it only do it with certain hands, or arent really able to adjust their post flop games to account for their preflop play. btw in this spot get the money in. [/ QUOTE ] MLG, Are you recommending that I open push from UTG, or do you mean reraise allin after I get repoped (like I did)?
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#18
08-03-2007, 02:02 PM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
Jonathan,
I have no idea how good you are, but pay particular attention to MLG's point about more difficult positions postflop with minraises. In other words, playing small ball is harder, but can be profitable if you're a very good postflop player. Just like you shouldn't accept the 'minraising is bad' mantra, you shouldn't do it without very specific ideas on how this will affect your play postflop...
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#20
08-03-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: $109 EPT Satellite - Tough Fold?
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Jonathan, I have no idea how good you are, but pay particular attention to MLG's point about more difficult positions postflop with minraises. In other words, playing small ball is harder, but can be profitable if you're a very good postflop player. Just like you shouldn't accept the 'minraising is bad' mantra, you shouldn't do it without very specific ideas on how this will affect your play postflop... [/ QUOTE ] Absolutley! But alot of this comes with experience. For example, if you have been in the habit of raising 3 - 4 BB in early position, then you will not have encountered the situations and stack sizes that arise from min raising (at least not as much). As I said earlier, I am experimenting with it at this stage. Maybe I'll fall down and scrap my knees a few times. But I'm sure I will learn something in the process, and hopefully, become a stronger player as a result. Suerte, Jonathan
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