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Old 07-30-2007, 08:36 AM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

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EDIT: My W$SD is 55 if that makes a difference.

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Ofc it does ... if you are calling down less you are folding marginal hands more and only take hands that are a bit better to showdown.

What is your vpip nina? Maybe if you play looser than me/sethy it's normal you fold more. Then again playing much looser than 28/19 at 2/4 seems suboptimal.

I'm also 40.5 WTSD @ 2/4 & 3/6 ... seeing showdowns is fun ^-^

I think one of the reasons is that I hardly bet/fold in like 7BB+ pots because there is so much random nonsensical agression at prima, especially from the 40/5/1 types you think you can trust.
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:28 AM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

omg sethy you run so good with AA, you luckbox
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:03 AM
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omg sethy you run so good with AA, you luckbox

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Yea, I was just gonna tell him that his AA figure makes my head asplode. I'm nowhere near that after 100,000 hands.
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Old 07-30-2007, 10:05 AM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

and OP, these questions are pretty much impossible to answer with no reads on the players or game conditions

I can see both of these being fine vs some players in my games and bad vs others
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

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omg sethy you run so good with AA, you luckbox

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Yea, I was just gonna tell him that his AA figure makes my head asplode. I'm nowhere near that after 100,000 hands.

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In terms of $ or BB/100?

This DB is about 50% 5/10, 35% 10/20, 10% 3/6 and 5% 15/30...

Also, I think I have pretty high shania equity on my AA...
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Old 07-30-2007, 01:16 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

the win% and avg BB won looked high to me, but I dunno what standard values for those are.
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:47 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

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and OP, these questions are pretty much impossible to answer with no reads on the players or game conditions

I can see both of these being fine vs some players in my games and bad vs others

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Imagine the BB to be a 40/9/1 who floats or raises a high % of HU continuation bets. He's been getting on your nerves this session, but you have yet to see him turn over a complete bluff. What's your plan for Nina's second hand?
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Old 07-30-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

call him down, donkeys love to bluff this kind of board with all sorts of cheese

vs me they usually show up with 68o and a little part of me dies
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Old 07-30-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

I think either of these can be ok, as others have mentioned. I'm also much more inclined to calldown the first one.

People seem to focus a lot on calling down when looking at wtsd%. Things like making light peels in position if you are likely to get a free card and avoiding situations that are bad to b/f or r/f can make a big impact right?
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Old 07-30-2007, 08:18 PM
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Default Re: A high call downs vs unknowns.

I asked DeathDonkey on the DeucesCracked message board about this and he had the following response, which I thought was helpful, particularly the part about checking on the river to induce bluffs:

"Someone with a went to SD of 32ish I would expect is folding a few too many winners, but more importantly he's not realizing his equity by not peeling with enough hands on the flop that have proper odds to do so. Another reason could be he is poor at hand reading and inducing bluffs on the river from missed draws. If you win lots of pots vs drawing opponents when they fold to your river bet, you could be doing a bit better by sometimes check/calling if they will bluff that missed draw. Very situation dependent but doing this appropriately will lead to higher went to SD as well as higher profit."

John
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