river two pair

[bboy_]

check/raise and call the3bet even you said he looks dumb so we defiantely can't fold

[BigBadBabar]

does anyone like a betcall? it seems like a spot where i don't want to fold but it also seems like a spot where if 3 bets go in we're always beat, but 1-2 going in seems right. we pulled ahead of some two pair hands as well as aa/ak (not sure how dumb co is, obv). is there any chance we'd be getting value out of something that would otherwise check behind like 76 or other (on the turn) pair+draw combos?

[PokerBob]

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but 1-2 going in seems right.

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how those 2 bets go in is extremely relevant.

[Vehn]

against an unknown I think a free showdown turn raise is very unlikely. also think its pretty unlikely to up against AA or AK with no preflop 3 bet.

[MitchL]

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against an unknown I think a free showdown turn raise is very unlikely. also think its pretty unlikely to up against AA or AK with no preflop 3 bet.

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If this is the case then calling the turn raise is probably bad unless you think he is semi-bluffing, which I dont think is the case.

[bboy_]

against a "dumb" unknown its likely not going to be a free showdown raise however to rule out AA AK or even something like KT is a little too pessimistic. honestly how often do you see people showing up with these hands in weird enough spots like this.

[tradingman123]

You were either drawing dead or just caught up. I think you could be drawing dead a lot here... I think bet fold is optimal but I am not that good and always end up calling when I plan on bet folding.

[surfdoc]

He can easily have KQ here also so CRing and folding to a 3 bet is no good. Bet/call and check/call are fine.

[ship it pls]

bet/call, opponent checks behind too much etc

[PokerBob]

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bet/call, opponent checks behind too much etc

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why would he ever check that river?