[censored] spot with 88

[SuperUberBob]

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you notice MP overcalled allin and had less then the bet I was making. but not by that much villian is playing vs me for a 14kish sidepot.

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Obv wouldn't worry about MP.

Though yes, that would arouse suspicion now that you mention it.

[registrar]

So MP2 has coldcalled and raise and a call for almost half his stack? I think you should let him shove before deciding what to do.

As played, with the fact that MP1 can't really expect you to fold here, and the fact that most players, even huge stacks, like to cooperate on the final table, I can't see how you can be ahead here ever.

[stokken]

When you raise this hand, are you planning on folding if you get repopped pf?
Imo you made the hand play so that you are left with difficult decissions. As any cont bet seriously commits you.
And with no read you cant be certain enough that you are beat I think. Why do you opt against a pf shove her? Or a raise that lets you jam the flopp? With ante there must be about a 15% increase in the pot already

Stokken

[shaundeeb]

I wasn't raise folding to most people.

[stokken]

In the abcense of reads, please explain the reasoning behind the betsize then? As I feel that there are appropriate times for this type of play,but that your stacksize is innapropriate

[AC-Cobra]

Your raise pf and c-bet are incredibly standard here I think. Anything else and you dont have any information for how you should play the hand and are in a worse situation.

Unfortunately, although youve played the hand correctly I believe your behind on the turn against what you described as probably bad players so this has to be a fold. A gut wrenching one but still a fold.

[stokken]

Plz reason to me why this is standard

Stokken

[AC-Cobra]

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Plz reason to me why this is standard

Stokken

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The raise pf is obvious.

I belive you have to c-bet here as your still pretty strong on this particular paired board. You can either take the pot down with the best or gain information at the least.

Would you rather check this flop? What does that acheive that we are looking for here?

[stokken]

This is why I argue against it being standard. With that particular betsize, offering these odds to the blinds, the awkward potsize post if action. The boards you must read etc etc makes the way the hand is played a bundle of difficult situations.
It is not clear to me what one wishes to achieve pf with betsize, response to action pf or post. What board to hope for. Managment of pot. Basically to me this is very nonstandard. But you blurt out standard and well played and just unlucky or similar. I want the reason behind. The pf raise is far from obvious

[hamnegger]

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raise more pf to discourage calls while oop. i think c betting this flop is good although i would size it a little smaller, maybe 40or 41k.

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yeah raise more so u either only win blinds or get reraised by hands that have you crushed. i totally disagree w this logic. the 2.5 rai is fine. id fold on the river i don't think you are ahead