10/20 - OOP, 3bet by LAG, missed bets?

[ProfessorBen]

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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious.

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This is largely postflop expectation based, but I think a fold in a 10 handed game here is probably close to neutral EV, defintiely lower variance. My point was just that his statement was ill-formed.

[Bad Lobster]

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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious.

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Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there?

[threeonefour]

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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious.

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Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there?

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do you see the fallacy in your last statement. if you have an unusually loose table it is optimal to loosen up yourself.

suppose everyone at your table played 100% their hands. would you tighten up?

[Mr Rick]

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As described OP is the only tight aggressive player there anyway. Most others are tight passive so I raise every time with KQo UTG. Especially getting re-raised by LAG with any A/pair to take out the blinds and make his hand obvious.

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Do you see the logical fallacy of playing loose because you're the only tight player there?

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In this case there are two loose players and 5 others who play tight and passive. OP is the only tight aggressive player there. When I raise early with KQo in this type of game and I get re-raised by one of the tight passives then either I hit the flop hard or I am out of there. But what tends to happen where I play (Foxwoods 10/20) is I get AT and even AJ to fold behind me because the tight players won't play those hands to a raise. The loose players in the game tend to call two cold with almost anything in which case top pair usually wins. Add to that the number of hands I am playing against one or both both blinds where I end up with position, and I like this.

But as HowMany said earlier it is a marginal decision either way. I do it partly because I hate folding all the time. On-line it was slightly -EV from early position and I only started doing it live after reading SSHE. I believe I am +EV live doing this not only because of the hands I win, but also because I am getting more action to the river when an A flops after I have raised in EP. Since most of my EP raises are with AK, AQ, AJ and sometimes AT this has worked out quite well...

[cmcxchris]

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(Preflop: I have K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img])
I raise UTG, folds to Villain in seat 10, Villain 3-bets, folds to me, blinds fold, I call.



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That's pretty weak stuff to be raising with from under the gun. You'd probably do better if you decided to be the only tight aggressive player in the game.

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I agree.

After the awful pre-flop mistake, your play is fine. The value bet on the river seems reasonable. You probably get called enough by a ten, QQ, and ace high to justify it.

[mosch]

Fold pre-flop. KQo isn't a full-ring UTG hand, not unless you have 3 walkers.

You don't say how often the villain goes to showdown, but if there's a chance of making him fold, you'd do a lot better check-raising the flop and betting the turn (any turn, but especially one where you just made top pair with a good kicker, and 10+ outs to improve)

River value bet is obvious.

[ProfessorBen]

LOL YOU GUYS ARE ALL LEVELING ME. I GET IT. I MAKE A RATIONAL POST ON HOW OP HASNT EVEN TOLD US HOW MANY HANDED WE ARE AND THUS WE HAVE INCOMPLETE INFORMATION AND YOU ALL COME BACK WITH THE SAME COMMENT. THATS A LEVEL!

nh sirs.

[Hectathrill]

Thanks to everyone for the advice. The consensus seems to be to bet the turn - I will keep that in mind in the future.

With regards to another poster's question, this particular hand was dealt 8-handed.