Feeling frozen /w QQ - Page 2

Colombo · #11 07-25-2007, 01:10 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($489.90)
SB ($815.10)
BB ($362)
Hero ($406)
MP ($187.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, MP calls $14, Button raises to $60, 2 folds, Hero calls $46, MP folds.

Flop: ($140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $96, Hero calls $96.

Turn: ($332) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $333.9 (All-In), Hero ...

so fold here, no?

tufat23 · #12 07-25-2007, 01:30 AM

call/shove pre, depending on dynamics.

how did u even get to a turn decision? shove flop 111%

jfish · #13 07-25-2007, 01:32 AM

if you c/c flop gotta c/c turn.

creative · #14 07-25-2007, 01:37 AM

i hate blanket statements like jfish made, is that really our only option? he CANT be shoving any worse than ak here, like ever, so how is calling +ev?

jfish · #15 07-25-2007, 01:58 AM

shrug, im not looking for reasons to fold qq in aggro games.

edit: esp when they can vshove worse and your hand is under-repped to the point of inducing bluffs.

NoahSD · #16 07-25-2007, 01:59 AM

Given the read, I'd definitely fold the turn, especially as Colombo.

e_hammer · #17 07-25-2007, 02:03 AM

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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button ($489.90)
SB ($815.10)
BB ($362)
Hero ($406)
MP ($187.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $14, MP calls $14, Button raises to $60, 2 folds, Hero calls $46, MP folds.

Flop: ($140) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $96, Hero calls $96.

Turn: ($332) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $333.9 (All-In), Hero ...

so fold here, no?

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i think it is safe to assume he will shove JJ and AXspades
here as momentum may be high for him so i call. Maybe even some suited connector which picks up the low end straight draw a small percentage as well as a tiny bit of total air.

At 2/1 you cant fold figuring his total range here.

Even giving villain a tight range here results below...
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

924 games 0.005 secs 184,800 games/sec

Board: 3s Ts 8d 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.234% 38.85% 02.38% 359 22.00 { QcQd }
Hand 1: 58.766% 56.39% 02.38% 521 22.00 { JJ+, AdKd, AsKs }

lolgimmickaments · #18 07-25-2007, 02:17 AM

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I believe the flop is a WA/WB situation, no? I'd call flop, c/f a blank turn.

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lol wtf?

TheJared · #19 07-25-2007, 02:54 AM

Am I the only person who sees QQ as the nuts on this flop, and when I go broke I just call it a cooler? Maybe this is a bad thing. lol.

tufat23 · #20 07-25-2007, 03:13 AM

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Am I the only person who sees QQ as the nuts on this flop, and when I go broke I just call it a cooler? Maybe this is a bad thing. lol.

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well i've already said i'd shove flop 111% of teh time. i dunno if u do much more