200nl: Too much action for top set?

[4_2_it]

Call. We don't want to isolate in this spot. Let's see what the turn brings. If hero fills up the pot will be large and a flush isn't going to be able to fold.

[fitnessfreak]

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i call, i want the other guys in, we are probably behind but have the odds to draw. we have decent implied odds too

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whoops, i didnt look at the edited stack sizes before posting [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]. i think there is a stronger case for calling now. although i dont hate pushing either. my major problem with just calling is the huge number of scare cards that can roll off, especially if one or two of the others come along for the ride.

also, i should have said originally that this is a push, and not push or fold, situation as folding was never really an option i considered.

[ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S]

what exactly is the argument for pushing? what % equity do you think we have against BB's range?

[mason55]

call and fill up or get it in 4 ways vs a bunch of straights and sets and have a boatload of equity (pun intended)

[fitnessfreak]

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what exactly is the argument for pushing? what % equity do you think we have against BB's range?

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tbh i think both calling and pushing are fine here. i figure that BB's range is sets, flushes, 75, big draws, pair+draw and maaaybe 2 pair. i dont use pokerstove but i would have thought that we figured to be looking fairly good vs his range. plus, if he has a hand like 2pr then we get the money in way ahead before an action killer turn card drops and we either get bluffed out or dont get paid off.

[luckbox666]

Because I think this thread is dead, I just wanted to post my actions below. It gets interesting...

BB: 25/15/2
MP2: 35/20/2
B: unknown

Stacks (estimates):

Hero: $300
BB: $450
MP2: $200
B: $250

1/2 nl on Full Tilt, 9 handed average game

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, Hero raises to $8, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $8, 2 folds, B calls $8, SB folds, BB calls $8.

Flop: ($25)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB checks, Hero bets $20, MP2 calls $20, B calls $20, BB raises to $80, Hero calls $80, MP2 calls $80, B calls $80

Turn: ($340)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
BB bets $150, Hero calls $150, MP2 folds, B folds

River: ($640)
9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
BB bets all-in for $212, Hero calls all-in for $62, $150 returned to BB

Final pot: $764

Hero shows 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] four of a kind, 9s
BB shows 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] for 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], a straight flush, 9 high

Hero is baffled by the BB's play. NH.

[Nielsio]

You got bamboozled.

[Dire]

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You got Full Tilted.

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[ikestoys]

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run better

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[pariah8]

Too bad no jack pot. I'm equally fine with calling to get the callers behind you, or pushing and getting (more than likely) 2 callers. The end of the hand at least was entertaining.