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Old 07-24-2007, 08:02 AM
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If u just call turn, raising river is good, no?

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How often is an aggresive player with a high AF calling a raise with a worse hand on the river..?

Will any of you guys call a river raise with a worse hand..? I wouldnt
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:05 AM
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Him calling the turn and then waking up on the river should have us examining odds for caling and not raising I'd think.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:08 AM
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Him calling the turn and then waking up on the river should have us examining odds for caling and not raising I'd think.

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I disagree, there aren't many better hands that play like this. AK? K5s? A retarded set? All seem pretty unlikely and must be heavily discounted. The problem with raising isn't the fact we're not ahead often enough, it's that we probably won't get called when we're ahead often enough.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:44 AM
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I sometimes raise the flop to get a free card on the turn in situations like this - spew?
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:50 AM
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How often is an aggresive player with a high AF calling a raise with a worse hand on the river..?

Will any of you guys call a river raise with a worse hand..? I wouldnt

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I would call with a K, but of course an unlikely holding. I see ur point. Ty
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:58 AM
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I sometimes raise the flop to get a free card on the turn in situations like this - spew?

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Bad, especially against this villain. Also this is a flop where alot of people are gonna be freecarding Ax, even though I disagree with that, but you don't want to be adding even more hands that are freecarding on a board like this.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:01 AM
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U call river UI here? He may have been semi-bluffing a straight draw all the way.
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Old 07-24-2007, 09:01 AM
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I sometimes raise the flop to get a free card on the turn in situations like this - spew?

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Bad, especially against this villain. Also this is a flop where alot of people are gonna be freecarding Ax, even though I disagree with that, but you don't want to be adding even more hands that are freecarding on a board like this.

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Ya. If you raise this flop you should bet again with the picked up fd. Your FE is worth much more than the free card.

You should rarely raise the flop for a free card HU. Bet again to take down the pot unless the turn is a card that improves villain with a high probability.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:42 PM
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V: after 40 hands 20/10/6.5 and looks agro after this few hands

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This is the only thing that makes raising the turn a plausible play (very high AF often implies raise/fold mentality). However, this turn card is so low that he'll still be able to peel with two overcards. But with only the information you provided, it's not enough to take a shot at him here.

The high AF also indicates that raising the river is probably not a good idea.
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Old 07-24-2007, 12:53 PM
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I can live with the turn raise if you think you can get folds from Ax hands that Villain may be pushing thinking you have UI overs.
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