Give me a situation when you min-raise... - Page 2

keikiwai · #11 07-23-2007, 08:09 PM

when you're playing against a straight forward opponent and you're either milking a tiny bit of value or bluffing

as in:

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $97.50
keikiwai (BB): $179.25
UTG: $96.35
BTN: $116.65

Preflop: keikiwai is dealt 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 Players)

I had just pfrred, and I didn't think it was the right time to do it. Villain is straight forward, and I figured it may be worth a call if I get jiggy.

UTG folds, BTN raises to $4.00, SB folds, keikiwai calls $3.00

Flop: ($8.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
keikiwai checks, BTN bets $7.00, keikiwai raises to $14.00, BTN folds

Pot Size: $29.50 ($1.10 Rake)

i know he usually folds, and if he doesn't, i'm beat... well i'm obv. beat no matter what

Bukem_ · #12 07-23-2007, 08:11 PM

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thin river value bet

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1968 · #13 07-23-2007, 09:12 PM

JBoosted on cardrunners min raises a bit (200NL from memory). He did it with a flopped second nut flush in a multiway limped pot in the SB (got coolered with a flopped nutflush obv).
Another time: Flopped 2 pair, turned a full house and check min-raised to induce an all in with the paired board.
Both times I cringed. Min raising is a limit/tournament play.
Only time I would do it is if im playing a regular and im trying to mix things up a bit.

keikiwai · #14 07-23-2007, 09:51 PM

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JBoosted on cardrunners min raises a bit (200NL from memory). He did it with a flopped second nut flush in a multiway limped pot in the SB (got coolered with a flopped nutflush obv).
Another time: Flopped 2 pair, turned a full house and check min-raised to induce an all in with the paired board.
Both times I cringed. Min raising is a limit/tournament play.
Only time I would do it is if im playing a regular and im trying to mix things up a bit.

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TC did it too.... mostly bluffs where the villain was very unlikely to have anything and the villain wasn't tricky

catcher193 · #15 07-23-2007, 10:09 PM

awesome thread, agree with most of the points made so far.

Panthro · #16 07-23-2007, 10:14 PM

to induce a shove

1968 · #17 07-23-2007, 10:24 PM

what I find hilarious about minraises is that they are so much more respected in live cash games.. I'd be more interested to know why this is..

Michaelson · #18 07-23-2007, 11:01 PM

When stack sizes are right, miniraises let you ask questions that your opponent has to answer with his whole stack.

For instance, 100bb stacks, you raise 4BB w/ 88, and call a 13BB re-raise from the SB. The pot is roughly 26BB and the flop comes down Q94r. If SB leads for 20BB, a miniraise basically asks villain if he wants to put his whole stack in, but lets you get away easily if he does.

I'm not saying that's necessarily a great time to do it, but its demonstrative of the type of question you can ask of a villain if stacks are right. I think it can be a strong move so long as you are adept at balancing very strong hands as well as bluffs.

Mossberg · #19 07-24-2007, 12:25 AM

Here is a place I tried it today against a 60/5/2 loose/bad, fish. His riverbet looked alot like a block to me and I also had noticed he donked a tonne postflop with draws AND made hands. I figured that he would always call with worse sets and 2pairs. Or maybe I was just tilt-spewing? (I'm definitely guilty of that today)

Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $92.10
Button: $54.95
SB: $416.30
Hero: $307.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $8, SB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($52, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($52, 2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero raises to $40, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $132

FoldEqu1ty · #20 07-24-2007, 12:39 AM

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Here is a place I tried it today against a 60/5/2 loose/bad, fish. His riverbet looked alot like a block to me and I also had noticed he donked a tonne postflop with draws AND made hands. I figured that he would always call with worse sets and 2pairs. Or maybe I was just tilt-spewing? (I'm definitely guilty of that today)

Blinds: $1/$2
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $92.10
Button: $54.95
SB: $416.30
Hero: $307.00

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, Hero raises to $8, SB calls.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $18, SB calls.

Turn: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($52, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($52, 2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero raises to $40, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: $132

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That's a freaky value bet. No way am I risking $110 for an extra $20 versus a donk, they can do some unpredictable stuff.